Yes there is, I wrote it down!
On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is there documented proof that this potential exists?
>
> On Aug 15, 11:14 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yes, interaction with real people, physical contact all inclusive of
> > feelings, touching, pain. Not a visual within an obscurity setting
> > but a physical reality of being at a place, standing on the floor
> > knowing you are somewhere else and awareness of the dream. There was
> > a great aspect of this that Pat had brought up in the original
> > thread, that one could possibly within a dream, write a note and place
> > it in a drawer and another could in a dream go to that drawer and find
> > the note, call the other and reveal the contents of the note.
>
> > On Aug 15, 9:55 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > When you say, "interact with others", do you mean real people? If so,
> > > how do you know they are real and not just a face that you are
> > > communicating with in your dream? Also, if they are real, could you
> > > exchange contact information and then meet with them?
>
> > > When I said dreams are sort of like imagination, I meant more like
> > > idle contemplation, where incidents follow the lead of the mind, which
> > > is roaming. If you construct a dream, follow an agenda within it, do
> > > things in a precisely thought out manner, then that is a level of
> > > dreamland that I have never acheived. If you have, I think that's
> > > great!
>
> > > Although I have learned to acheive some level of control in my dream
> > > state, it is not nearly as precise as this. I have no real interest in
> > > having my dreams resemble a totally conscious state, where I am
> > > planning something, and then executing it. I enjoy idle contemplation,
> > > and like to be led where my freely roaming mind wants to take me. In
> > > other words, I don't want to work in my dreams, I want to be
> > > entertained, take whats around the corner and deal with it
> > > instinctively.
>
> > > I want my dreams to be free flowing and reactionary when required.
> > > There is enough concentrated effort in my daily life, and I want no
> > > part of that in my night life. I actually prefer dreams where there
> > > are no other people to communicate with, or maybe just one that I am
> > > sharing something special with.
>
> > > Lucid dreams may be something like OBE's but I experienced them before
> > > sleep. Actually dealing with another person on a particular issue in a
> > > dream state is something that I do not aspire to. Communication with
> > > another human has never been part of my OBE's and doing so while
> > > sleeping is also nothing that I gravitate toward.
>
> > > On Aug 15, 10:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > You may have a different level of dreaming, you are analyzing dreams
> > > > on the conscious rational level and therefore seem to allude to
> > > > imagination. Of course we could sit and imagine but that is first
> > > > level and not consistent with REM sleep modes. While it is true that
> > > > many dreams are simple constructs of inner psychological fragments,
> > > > there is another level of dreaming, one that takes me (one for sure)
> > > > to other places where I interact with others in what seems to be a
> > > > real time conscious event. Upon wakening I know that it was not just
> > > > an ordinary dream. I can have 50 dreams in a month but few will be at
> > > > the extreme level.
> > > > A re-read of the op, specifically to the reference to Taggarts cosmos
> > > > correlation and of course the Weiss reseach that Molly has added, the
> > > > Einstein theories, the discoveries of numerous parallel universes, and
> > > > myriad other cosmological phenomena may indeed allow for a more open
> > > > view beyond the mundane physical sense.
>
> > > > On Aug 15, 5:13 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > You may be partying in Japan, but to me, this is the same as imagining
> > > > > you are on a tropical island when you are actually ensconsed in a snow
> > > > > storm in the Arctic. The imagination is not constrained by time/space
> > > > > and is free to put ones mind in any "place" it wants to be. Are you
> > > > > really "there"? Not physically but, like spirit, imagination is
> > > > > everywhere and does not reside in any place, although it seems to
> > > > > originate from ones "mind".
>
> > > > > I believe dreams are similar to imagination, but the events of the
> > > > > dream happen because of recent thought, maybe something you read or
> > > > > saw on TV. They can also be reflective of an emotional experience, a
> > > > > perceived threat, or whatever. To me, dreams are almost like
> > > > > meditiation. Once the mind is free from conscious thought, it is freed
> > > > > up to go in any direction it wants. This is when true fears or joy
> > > > > freely express themselves, often mixed with a cornucopia of items that
> > > > > are part of ones daily life.
>
> > > > > I learned long ago to initiate flying dreams by thinking about
> > > > > certaiin things while lying in bed before sleep. This did not always
> > > > > work, but then I learned to be able to pick up a dream if woken up
> > > > > during it. I think this may be the kindergarten steps of lucid
> > > > > dreaming. My OBE's were not lucid dreams because I was still awake, at
> > > > > least I thought I was!
>
> > > > > When flying, I cruise around but am never really cognizant of being in
> > > > > a specific location. I enjoy the thrill of flying and convincing
> > > > > others that they too can fly if they trust their ability to do such.
> > > > > When I am flying through the air, my body is lying in the bed. I do
> > > > > not think of this as travelling.
>
> > > > > I guess I don't fully understand the "quantum dream travel concept".
> > > > > It certainly isn't molecular transfer. According to the theory I think
> > > > > you are talking about, would it not be possible to physically wake up
> > > > > in Japan if one was actually travelling? Of course, this is impossible
> > > > > so, from what I understand of your thread, I don't think we are
> > > > > travelling at all.
>
> > > > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > D,
> > > > > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams are
> > > > > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for
> > > > > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they represent
> > > > > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was
> > > > > > presenting,
> > > > > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into another gear,
> > > > > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness.
> > > > > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time or
> > > > > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you
> > > > > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that simple
> > > > > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily
> > > > > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing
> > > > > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an
> > > > > > impending
> > > > > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club and
> > > > > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days later,
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or state of
> > > > > > well
> > > > > > being?
> > > > > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of
> > > > > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not possible
> > > > > > in the conscious realm.
> > > > > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are enjoying
> > > > > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were you
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and in a
> > > > > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you physically
> > > > > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan really
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a party in
> > > > > > Japan?
> > > > > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think I'm going
> > > > > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm that
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel.
>
> > > > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, and are
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, brought to
> > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the real
> > > > > > > state
> > > > > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing.
>
> > > > > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle contemplation in
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the "mood" of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be
> > > > > > > bizarre
> > > > > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in the
> > > > > > > dream
> > > > > > > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is the
> > > > > > > dream
> > > > > > > happy, fearful, violent, etc.?
>
> > > > > > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or
> > > > > > > parallel
> > > > > > > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the case
> > > > > > > myself.
> > > > > > > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming during an
> > > > > > > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination takes
> > > > > > > them, but
> > > > > > > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt
> > > > > > > disorientation,
> > > > > > > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream.
> > > > > > > Interesting
> > > > > > > idea though.
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory of
> > > > > > > > an old
> > > > > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the
> > > > > > > > amount of
> > > > > > > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. It
> > > > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean
>
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