To give Slip's good thread its due, I would say Slip, that if we consider infinite possibility and all time, your dreams are certainly possible.
On Aug 17, 9:09 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Those that don't experience call it imagination, one of the greatest > assets to humanity. > > "Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But > without it we go nowhere" > Carl Sagan > > "I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" > Michelangelo > > One day I hope to establish the proof necessary to validate my dream > experiences. Often in my dreams I'm searching the environment for > some identifiable sign of my whereabouts, especially when there is a > serious event taking place. > > There was a dream I had last year in which I was not a physical entity > just a floating voyeur. When the dream began I was startled because > there was a man strangling a woman, he dressed up left the room, > walked down a flight of stairs, exited wearing a nice shirt and tie. > I noticed the buildings were attached three story tenements in a run > down neighborhood, it was very early morning and misty. I followed > him down the street, around a corner, there wasn't a sign. He entered > a luxurious hotel, marble columns, tile and chandeliers. There were > people sitting at tables eating and some recognized him and I thought > that he worked there. I thought that I should keep following. Down > to the health club area into the steam room out to a hallway and the > sounds of the world woke me. I tried to get back in but it wasn't > working, it was too late. These dreams are not as simple as Derip > suggests, where I should just simple stop this person and say, "hey > can I get your name and phone number so I can call the police?". > It wasn't the first of such dreams where I witnessed a crime. Where > was this hotel, who were these people and why was I there? Some might > remember my dream in the spring before 9/11 which was very intense > that night but more so after the actual event took place when I > realized what the dream was about. > > It is really hard for those who don't have intense dream experiences > to understand them or understand that others do have them, like having > a sixth sense. Like Molly and Derip, I don't have to prove anything, > I'm just sharing what I know is real for me. I know that I have never > been to some of the places that I dream about nor ever witnessed any > of the occurrences in my conscious world that would affect my dream > realm. I believe there is a collective consciousness/subconsciousness > that is accessible in the dream state, for some. > > I don't believe that all dreams are the same, some 'are" a > manifestation of internal, suppressed emotions or the result of daily > stressors but for me those are more obvious as to what the dream was > about. > > On Aug 16, 8:39 pm, Darrel Farrel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think you both have real active imaginations > > > > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:06:14 -0700 > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Quantum Dream Travel (revisited) > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > > From what I've personally experienced, I believe it has occurred. I > > > have traveled and experienced the quantum leap. I think it's hard for > > > you to comprehend that it "is". > > > Is OBE real or just some imaginary experience? It's fine to say that > > > you had one but another to say that they are real experiences, other > > > than that it is a nice speculation and nothing more. > > > > On Aug 15, 6:48 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What I am asking is if this has ever been done. It's fine to say that > > > > something CAN be done. It's another to say that it HAS been done. If > > > > it hasn't been done, its a nice speculation and nothing more. > > > > > On Aug 15, 6:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The lack of proof for the empiricist, lack of documentation, video or > > > > > otherwise does not preclude the potential or the actual experience. > > > > > What proof do you have of your OBE other than your claim? > > > > > It's just like the extraterrestrial experience that remains mysterious > > > > > and enigmatic. Who are we to deny alien abductions, OBE's or dream > > > > > travel? > > > > > > On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You're off the wall! hahaha ;-] > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > “.. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we can't > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > waking life. “ MB > > > > > > > > So, Molly, you think that when one walks through a wall in a > > > > > > > dream, > > > > > > > they can do it in waking life too, correct? Or am I off base here? > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:25 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > teleportation and bi location are mystical traditions that do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > require dream. I don't think there is anything we do in dream > > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > can't in waking life. In dream, the boundaries of conscious > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > prevail, and if we depend on them, we are limited by them. The > > > > > > > > research in past life regression of Dr. Brian Weiss has taken > > > > > > > > him to a > > > > > > > > place where he now proposes that at the soul level, we are > > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > that is living, ever lived, will ever live...this is the > > > > > > > > oneness. I > > > > > > > > think he is on to something here, and maybe your dreams of being > > > > > > > > someone else are just a lifting of this veil, Slip. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > D, > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for > > > > > > > > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they > > > > > > > > > represent > > > > > > > > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was > > > > > > > > > presenting, > > > > > > > > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into > > > > > > > > > another gear, > > > > > > > > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness. > > > > > > > > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you > > > > > > > > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily > > > > > > > > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing > > > > > > > > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an > > > > > > > > > impending > > > > > > > > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days > > > > > > > > > later, what > > > > > > > > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or > > > > > > > > > state of well > > > > > > > > > being? > > > > > > > > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of > > > > > > > > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not > > > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > in the conscious realm. > > > > > > > > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are > > > > > > > > > enjoying > > > > > > > > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were > > > > > > > > > you really > > > > > > > > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you > > > > > > > > > physically > > > > > > > > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan > > > > > > > > > really you > > > > > > > > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a > > > > > > > > > party in > > > > > > > > > Japan? > > > > > > > > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think > > > > > > > > > I'm going > > > > > > > > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm > > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, > > > > > > > > > > and are a > > > > > > > > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, > > > > > > > > > > brought to life > > > > > > > > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the > > > > > > > > > > real state > > > > > > > > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing. > > > > > > > > > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle > > > > > > > > > > contemplation in that > > > > > > > > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the > > > > > > > > > > "mood" of the > > > > > > > > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be > > > > > > > > > > bizarre > > > > > > > > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in > > > > > > > > > > the dream > > > > > > > > > > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is > > > > > > > > > > the dream > > > > > > > > > > happy, fearful, violent, etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or > > > > > > > > > > parallel > > > > > > > > > > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the > > > > > > > > > > case myself. > > > > > > > > > > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming > > > > > > > > > > during an > > > > > > > > > > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination > > > > > > > > > > takes them, but > > > > > > > > > > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt > > > > > > > > > > disorientation, > > > > > > > > > > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting > > > > > > > > > > idea though. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a > > > > > > > > > > > memory of an old > > > > > > > > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering > > > > > > > > > > > the amount of > > > > > > > > > > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. > > > > > > > > > > > It seems > > > > > > > > > > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't find any > > > > > > > > > > > old threads. So......... > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am > > > > > > > > > > > physically in > > > > > > > > > > > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my > > > > > > > > > > > subconscious > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > or if I am experiencing > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
