Like I mentioned in a previous post, it should be a simple way to test the theory, and dang, would it save on long distance calls! ;-]
On Aug 19, 12:07 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > and this would also have the benefit of following a scientific > process...meaning you wouldn't have the empiricists on board rolling their > eyes. ;) > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > On 19 Aug, 15:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I hereby award you Molly Brogan the esteemed and coveted, (drum roll > > > please) > > > > "Queen of Thread Purity Award" > > > > Tadaaa!! Congratulations! > > > > I'm still waiting for Pat to weigh in on the quantum possibilities > > > associated with the time perspective of this dream travel experience. > > > It's not easy tying in the subconscious with Pat's 16 dimensions of > > > the boson space that are interleaved and twisted together and > > > stretched to > > > the most gossamer of all thread like structures that spreads > > > completely throughout a torus. > > > > I'm sure that at some point in the future, should enough attention be > > > paid to it, the quantum dream travel experience will find it's way > > > into the scientific world's list of most notable discoveries. > > > I wouldn't want to burst the bubble of your quantum dream foam, but > > the concept doesn't pass Occam's razor for me. In my theory, what > > occurs in dreams could play out in a dreamscape of sorts, that is, an > > area of consciousness to which all dreamers have access, but I don't > > think we actually transport to another area of space-time. > > Consciousness, in my theory, is contained in the Calabi-Yau space and > > data is passed back via quantum flux within our nervous systems. But, > > of course, I only have MY dreams to use as a basis. And the > > continuity that exists BETWEEN my dreams*, tells me that the place is > > NOT in this 4-D universe. > > > * example: If, in dream A, I put my watch in my sock drawer, years > > later in dream B, I will and CAN find my watch in the sock drawer > > right where I left it. That level of continuity BETWEEN dreams tells > > me that there is 'a place' but my physics tells me it's not this 4-D > > universe. The way to test it, as I've mentioned before, is to get a > > couple of lucid dreamers that both can dream (and HAVE dreamt) of the > > same place. Let dreamer A write and leave a message for dreamer B to > > pick up. If that can be done successfully, then we'd be one step > > closer to proving a dreamscape. And, one step closer to a new method > > of data transfer!! > > > > On Aug 19, 8:43 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > To give Slip's good thread its due, I would say Slip, that if we > > > > consider infinite possibility and all time, your dreams are certainly > > > > possible. > > > > > On Aug 17, 9:09 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Those that don't experience call it imagination, one of the greatest > > > > > assets to humanity. > > > > > > "Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But > > > > > without it we go nowhere" > > > > > Carl Sagan > > > > > > "I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" > > > > > Michelangelo > > > > > > One day I hope to establish the proof necessary to validate my dream > > > > > experiences. Often in my dreams I'm searching the environment for > > > > > some identifiable sign of my whereabouts, especially when there is a > > > > > serious event taking place. > > > > > > There was a dream I had last year in which I was not a physical > > entity > > > > > just a floating voyeur. When the dream began I was startled because > > > > > there was a man strangling a woman, he dressed up left the room, > > > > > walked down a flight of stairs, exited wearing a nice shirt and tie. > > > > > I noticed the buildings were attached three story tenements in a run > > > > > down neighborhood, it was very early morning and misty. I followed > > > > > him down the street, around a corner, there wasn't a sign. He > > entered > > > > > a luxurious hotel, marble columns, tile and chandeliers. There were > > > > > people sitting at tables eating and some recognized him and I thought > > > > > that he worked there. I thought that I should keep following. Down > > > > > to the health club area into the steam room out to a hallway and the > > > > > sounds of the world woke me. I tried to get back in but it wasn't > > > > > working, it was too late. These dreams are not as simple as Derip > > > > > suggests, where I should just simple stop this person and say, "hey > > > > > can I get your name and phone number so I can call the police?". > > > > > It wasn't the first of such dreams where I witnessed a crime. Where > > > > > was this hotel, who were these people and why was I there? Some > > might > > > > > remember my dream in the spring before 9/11 which was very intense > > > > > that night but more so after the actual event took place when I > > > > > realized what the dream was about. > > > > > > It is really hard for those who don't have intense dream experiences > > > > > to understand them or understand that others do have them, like > > having > > > > > a sixth sense. Like Molly and Derip, I don't have to prove anything, > > > > > I'm just sharing what I know is real for me. I know that I have > > never > > > > > been to some of the places that I dream about nor ever witnessed any > > > > > of the occurrences in my conscious world that would affect my dream > > > > > realm. I believe there is a collective > > consciousness/subconsciousness > > > > > that is accessible in the dream state, for some. > > > > > > I don't believe that all dreams are the same, some 'are" a > > > > > manifestation of internal, suppressed emotions or the result of daily > > > > > stressors but for me those are more obvious as to what the dream was > > > > > about. > > > > > > On Aug 16, 8:39 pm, Darrel Farrel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think you both have real active imaginations > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:06:14 -0700 > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Quantum Dream Travel (revisited) > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > From what I've personally experienced, I believe it has occurred. > > I > > > > > > > have traveled and experienced the quantum leap. I think it's hard > > for > > > > > > > you to comprehend that it "is". > > > > > > > Is OBE real or just some imaginary experience? It's fine to say > > that > > > > > > > you had one but another to say that they are real experiences, > > other > > > > > > > than that it is a nice speculation and nothing more. > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 6:48 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > What I am asking is if this has ever been done. It's fine to > > say that > > > > > > > > something CAN be done. It's another to say that it HAS been > > done. If > > > > > > > > it hasn't been done, its a nice speculation and nothing more. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 6:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The lack of proof for the empiricist, lack of documentation, > > video or > > > > > > > > > otherwise does not preclude the potential or the actual > > experience. > > > > > > > > > What proof do you have of your OBE other than your claim? > > > > > > > > > It's just like the extraterrestrial experience that remains > > mysterious > > > > > > > > > and enigmatic. Who are we to deny alien abductions, OBE's or > > dream > > > > > > > > > travel? > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You're off the wall! hahaha ;-] > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > “.. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that > > we can't in > > > > > > > > > > > waking life. “ MB > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Molly, you think that when one walks through a wall > > in a dream, > > > > > > > > > > > they can do it in waking life too, correct? Or am I off > > base here? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:25 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > teleportation and bi location are mystical traditions > > that do not > > > > > > > > > > > > require dream. I don't think there is anything we do > > in dream that we > > > > > > > > > > > > can't in waking life. In dream, the boundaries of > > conscious thought > > > > > > > > > > > > prevail, and if we depend on them, we are limited by > > them. The > > > > > > > > > > > > research in past life regression of Dr. Brian Weiss has > > taken him to a > > > > > > > > > > > > place where he now proposes that at the soul level, we > > are everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > that is living, ever lived, will ever live...this is > > the oneness. I > > > > > > > > > > > > think he is on to something here, and maybe your dreams > > of being > > > > > > > > > > > > someone else are just a lifting of this veil, Slip. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. > > Dreams are > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an > > opportunity for > > > > > > > > > > > > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that > > they represent > > > > > > > > > > > > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what > > I was presenting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" > > into another gear, > > > > > > > > > > > > > another consciousness, possibly not your own > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at > > one time or > > > > > > > > > > > > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that > > which you > > > > > > > > > > > > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it > > seems that simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not > > easily > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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