I hereby award you Molly Brogan the esteemed and coveted, (drum roll
please)
"Queen of Thread Purity Award"
Tadaaa!! Congratulations!
I'm still waiting for Pat to weigh in on the quantum possibilities
associated with the time perspective of this dream travel experience.
It's not easy tying in the subconscious with Pat's 16 dimensions of
the boson space that are interleaved and twisted together and
stretched to
the most gossamer of all thread like structures that spreads
completely throughout a torus.
I'm sure that at some point in the future, should enough attention be
paid to it, the quantum dream travel experience will find it's way
into the scientific world's list of most notable discoveries.
On Aug 19, 8:43 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> To give Slip's good thread its due, I would say Slip, that if we
> consider infinite possibility and all time, your dreams are certainly
> possible.
>
> On Aug 17, 9:09 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Those that don't experience call it imagination, one of the greatest
> > assets to humanity.
>
> > "Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But
> > without it we go nowhere"
> > Carl Sagan
>
> > "I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free"
> > Michelangelo
>
> > One day I hope to establish the proof necessary to validate my dream
> > experiences. Often in my dreams I'm searching the environment for
> > some identifiable sign of my whereabouts, especially when there is a
> > serious event taking place.
>
> > There was a dream I had last year in which I was not a physical entity
> > just a floating voyeur. When the dream began I was startled because
> > there was a man strangling a woman, he dressed up left the room,
> > walked down a flight of stairs, exited wearing a nice shirt and tie.
> > I noticed the buildings were attached three story tenements in a run
> > down neighborhood, it was very early morning and misty. I followed
> > him down the street, around a corner, there wasn't a sign. He entered
> > a luxurious hotel, marble columns, tile and chandeliers. There were
> > people sitting at tables eating and some recognized him and I thought
> > that he worked there. I thought that I should keep following. Down
> > to the health club area into the steam room out to a hallway and the
> > sounds of the world woke me. I tried to get back in but it wasn't
> > working, it was too late. These dreams are not as simple as Derip
> > suggests, where I should just simple stop this person and say, "hey
> > can I get your name and phone number so I can call the police?".
> > It wasn't the first of such dreams where I witnessed a crime. Where
> > was this hotel, who were these people and why was I there? Some might
> > remember my dream in the spring before 9/11 which was very intense
> > that night but more so after the actual event took place when I
> > realized what the dream was about.
>
> > It is really hard for those who don't have intense dream experiences
> > to understand them or understand that others do have them, like having
> > a sixth sense. Like Molly and Derip, I don't have to prove anything,
> > I'm just sharing what I know is real for me. I know that I have never
> > been to some of the places that I dream about nor ever witnessed any
> > of the occurrences in my conscious world that would affect my dream
> > realm. I believe there is a collective consciousness/subconsciousness
> > that is accessible in the dream state, for some.
>
> > I don't believe that all dreams are the same, some 'are" a
> > manifestation of internal, suppressed emotions or the result of daily
> > stressors but for me those are more obvious as to what the dream was
> > about.
>
> > On Aug 16, 8:39 pm, Darrel Farrel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I think you both have real active imaginations
>
> > > > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:06:14 -0700
> > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Quantum Dream Travel (revisited)
> > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > To: [email protected]
>
> > > > From what I've personally experienced, I believe it has occurred. I
> > > > have traveled and experienced the quantum leap. I think it's hard for
> > > > you to comprehend that it "is".
> > > > Is OBE real or just some imaginary experience? It's fine to say that
> > > > you had one but another to say that they are real experiences, other
> > > > than that it is a nice speculation and nothing more.
>
> > > > On Aug 15, 6:48 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > What I am asking is if this has ever been done. It's fine to say that
> > > > > something CAN be done. It's another to say that it HAS been done. If
> > > > > it hasn't been done, its a nice speculation and nothing more.
>
> > > > > On Aug 15, 6:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The lack of proof for the empiricist, lack of documentation, video
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > otherwise does not preclude the potential or the actual experience.
> > > > > > What proof do you have of your OBE other than your claim?
> > > > > > It's just like the extraterrestrial experience that remains
> > > > > > mysterious
> > > > > > and enigmatic. Who are we to deny alien abductions, OBE's or dream
> > > > > > travel?
>
> > > > > > On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > You're off the wall! hahaha ;-]
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 15, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > “.. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we
> > > > > > > > can't in
> > > > > > > > waking life. “ MB
>
> > > > > > > > So, Molly, you think that when one walks through a wall in a
> > > > > > > > dream,
> > > > > > > > they can do it in waking life too, correct? Or am I off base
> > > > > > > > here?
>
> > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:25 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > teleportation and bi location are mystical traditions that do
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > require dream. I don't think there is anything we do in
> > > > > > > > > dream that we
> > > > > > > > > can't in waking life. In dream, the boundaries of conscious
> > > > > > > > > thought
> > > > > > > > > prevail, and if we depend on them, we are limited by them. The
> > > > > > > > > research in past life regression of Dr. Brian Weiss has taken
> > > > > > > > > him to a
> > > > > > > > > place where he now proposes that at the soul level, we are
> > > > > > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > > > that is living, ever lived, will ever live...this is the
> > > > > > > > > oneness. I
> > > > > > > > > think he is on to something here, and maybe your dreams of
> > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > someone else are just a lifting of this veil, Slip.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > D,
> > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought.
> > > > > > > > > > Dreams are
> > > > > > > > > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for
> > > > > > > > > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they
> > > > > > > > > > represent
> > > > > > > > > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was
> > > > > > > > > > presenting,
> > > > > > > > > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into
> > > > > > > > > > another gear,
> > > > > > > > > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness.
> > > > > > > > > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one
> > > > > > > > > > time or
> > > > > > > > > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems
> > > > > > > > > > that simple
> > > > > > > > > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily
> > > > > > > > > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have
> > > > > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying
> > > > > > > > > > an impending
> > > > > > > > > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days
> > > > > > > > > > later, what
> > > > > > > > > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or
> > > > > > > > > > state of well
> > > > > > > > > > being?
> > > > > > > > > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not
> > > > > > > > > > possible
> > > > > > > > > > in the conscious realm.
> > > > > > > > > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are
> > > > > > > > > > enjoying
> > > > > > > > > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were
> > > > > > > > > > you really
> > > > > > > > > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left
> > > > > > > > > > and in a
> > > > > > > > > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you
> > > > > > > > > > physically
> > > > > > > > > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan
> > > > > > > > > > really you
> > > > > > > > > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a
> > > > > > > > > > party in
> > > > > > > > > > Japan?
> > > > > > > > > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think
> > > > > > > > > > I'm going
> > > > > > > > > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream
> > > > > > > > > > realm that is
> > > > > > > > > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought,
> > > > > > > > > > > and are a
> > > > > > > > > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings,
> > > > > > > > > > > brought to life
> > > > > > > > > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display
> > > > > > > > > > > the real state
> > > > > > > > > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle
> > > > > > > > > > > contemplation in that
> > > > > > > > > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the
> > > > > > > > > > > "mood" of the
> > > > > > > > > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as
> > > > > > > > > > > be bizarre
> > > > > > > > > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in
> > > > > > > > > > > the dream
> > > > > > > > > > > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels.
> > > > > > > > > > > Is the dream
> > > > > > > > > > > happy, fearful, violent, etc.?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet
> > > > > > > > > > > or parallel
> > > > > > > > > > > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the
> > > > > > > > > > > case myself.
> > > > > > > > > > > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming
> > > > > > > > > > > during an
> > > > > > > > > > > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination
> > > > > > > > > > > takes them, but
> > > > > > > > > > > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt
> > > > > > > > > > > disorientation,
> > > > > > > > > > > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a
> > > > > > > > > > > dream. Interesting
> > > > > > > > > > > idea though.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a
> > > > > > > > > > > > memory of an old
> > > > > > > > > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering
> > > > > > > > > > > > the amount of
> > > > > > > > > > > > new members I thought it would be
>
> ...
>
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