On 19 Aug, 15:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> I hereby award you Molly Brogan the esteemed and coveted, (drum roll
> please)
>
> "Queen of Thread Purity Award"
>
> Tadaaa!! Congratulations!
>
> I'm still waiting for Pat to weigh in on the quantum possibilities
> associated with the time perspective of this dream travel experience.
> It's not easy tying in the subconscious with Pat's 16 dimensions of
> the boson space that are interleaved and twisted together and
> stretched to
> the most gossamer of all thread like structures that spreads
> completely throughout a torus.
>
> I'm sure that at some point in the future, should enough attention be
> paid to it, the quantum dream travel experience will find it's way
> into the scientific world's list of most notable discoveries.
>
I wouldn't want to burst the bubble of your quantum dream foam, but
the concept doesn't pass Occam's razor for me. In my theory, what
occurs in dreams could play out in a dreamscape of sorts, that is, an
area of consciousness to which all dreamers have access, but I don't
think we actually transport to another area of space-time.
Consciousness, in my theory, is contained in the Calabi-Yau space and
data is passed back via quantum flux within our nervous systems. But,
of course, I only have MY dreams to use as a basis. And the
continuity that exists BETWEEN my dreams*, tells me that the place is
NOT in this 4-D universe.
* example: If, in dream A, I put my watch in my sock drawer, years
later in dream B, I will and CAN find my watch in the sock drawer
right where I left it. That level of continuity BETWEEN dreams tells
me that there is 'a place' but my physics tells me it's not this 4-D
universe. The way to test it, as I've mentioned before, is to get a
couple of lucid dreamers that both can dream (and HAVE dreamt) of the
same place. Let dreamer A write and leave a message for dreamer B to
pick up. If that can be done successfully, then we'd be one step
closer to proving a dreamscape. And, one step closer to a new method
of data transfer!!
> On Aug 19, 8:43 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > To give Slip's good thread its due, I would say Slip, that if we
> > consider infinite possibility and all time, your dreams are certainly
> > possible.
>
> > On Aug 17, 9:09 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Those that don't experience call it imagination, one of the greatest
> > > assets to humanity.
>
> > > "Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But
> > > without it we go nowhere"
> > > Carl Sagan
>
> > > "I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free"
> > > Michelangelo
>
> > > One day I hope to establish the proof necessary to validate my dream
> > > experiences. Often in my dreams I'm searching the environment for
> > > some identifiable sign of my whereabouts, especially when there is a
> > > serious event taking place.
>
> > > There was a dream I had last year in which I was not a physical entity
> > > just a floating voyeur. When the dream began I was startled because
> > > there was a man strangling a woman, he dressed up left the room,
> > > walked down a flight of stairs, exited wearing a nice shirt and tie.
> > > I noticed the buildings were attached three story tenements in a run
> > > down neighborhood, it was very early morning and misty. I followed
> > > him down the street, around a corner, there wasn't a sign. He entered
> > > a luxurious hotel, marble columns, tile and chandeliers. There were
> > > people sitting at tables eating and some recognized him and I thought
> > > that he worked there. I thought that I should keep following. Down
> > > to the health club area into the steam room out to a hallway and the
> > > sounds of the world woke me. I tried to get back in but it wasn't
> > > working, it was too late. These dreams are not as simple as Derip
> > > suggests, where I should just simple stop this person and say, "hey
> > > can I get your name and phone number so I can call the police?".
> > > It wasn't the first of such dreams where I witnessed a crime. Where
> > > was this hotel, who were these people and why was I there? Some might
> > > remember my dream in the spring before 9/11 which was very intense
> > > that night but more so after the actual event took place when I
> > > realized what the dream was about.
>
> > > It is really hard for those who don't have intense dream experiences
> > > to understand them or understand that others do have them, like having
> > > a sixth sense. Like Molly and Derip, I don't have to prove anything,
> > > I'm just sharing what I know is real for me. I know that I have never
> > > been to some of the places that I dream about nor ever witnessed any
> > > of the occurrences in my conscious world that would affect my dream
> > > realm. I believe there is a collective consciousness/subconsciousness
> > > that is accessible in the dream state, for some.
>
> > > I don't believe that all dreams are the same, some 'are" a
> > > manifestation of internal, suppressed emotions or the result of daily
> > > stressors but for me those are more obvious as to what the dream was
> > > about.
>
> > > On Aug 16, 8:39 pm, Darrel Farrel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I think you both have real active imaginations
>
> > > > > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:06:14 -0700
> > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Quantum Dream Travel (revisited)
> > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > To: [email protected]
>
> > > > > From what I've personally experienced, I believe it has occurred. I
> > > > > have traveled and experienced the quantum leap. I think it's hard for
> > > > > you to comprehend that it "is".
> > > > > Is OBE real or just some imaginary experience? It's fine to say that
> > > > > you had one but another to say that they are real experiences, other
> > > > > than that it is a nice speculation and nothing more.
>
> > > > > On Aug 15, 6:48 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > What I am asking is if this has ever been done. It's fine to say
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > something CAN be done. It's another to say that it HAS been done. If
> > > > > > it hasn't been done, its a nice speculation and nothing more.
>
> > > > > > On Aug 15, 6:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > The lack of proof for the empiricist, lack of documentation,
> > > > > > > video or
> > > > > > > otherwise does not preclude the potential or the actual
> > > > > > > experience.
> > > > > > > What proof do you have of your OBE other than your claim?
> > > > > > > It's just like the extraterrestrial experience that remains
> > > > > > > mysterious
> > > > > > > and enigmatic. Who are we to deny alien abductions, OBE's or
> > > > > > > dream
> > > > > > > travel?
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You're off the wall! hahaha ;-]
>
> > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > “.. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we
> > > > > > > > > can't in
> > > > > > > > > waking life. “ MB
>
> > > > > > > > > So, Molly, you think that when one walks through a wall in a
> > > > > > > > > dream,
> > > > > > > > > they can do it in waking life too, correct? Or am I off base
> > > > > > > > > here?
>
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 5:25 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > teleportation and bi location are mystical traditions that
> > > > > > > > > > do not
> > > > > > > > > > require dream. I don't think there is anything we do in
> > > > > > > > > > dream that we
> > > > > > > > > > can't in waking life. In dream, the boundaries of
> > > > > > > > > > conscious thought
> > > > > > > > > > prevail, and if we depend on them, we are limited by them.
> > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > research in past life regression of Dr. Brian Weiss has
> > > > > > > > > > taken him to a
> > > > > > > > > > place where he now proposes that at the soul level, we are
> > > > > > > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > > > > that is living, ever lived, will ever live...this is the
> > > > > > > > > > oneness. I
> > > > > > > > > > think he is on to something here, and maybe your dreams of
> > > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > someone else are just a lifting of this veil, Slip.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > D,
> > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought.
> > > > > > > > > > > Dreams are
> > > > > > > > > > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they
> > > > > > > > > > > represent
> > > > > > > > > > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I
> > > > > > > > > > > was presenting,
> > > > > > > > > > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into
> > > > > > > > > > > another gear,
> > > > > > > > > > > another consciousness, possibly not your own
> > > > > > > > > > > consciousness.
> > > > > > > > > > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one
> > > > > > > > > > > time or
> > > > > > > > > > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which
> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems
> > > > > > > > > > > that simple
> > > > > > > > > > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily
> > > > > > > > > > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have
> > > > > > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > > > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying
> > > > > > > > > > > an impending
> > > > > > > > > > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a
> > > > > > > > > > > club and
> > > > > > > > > > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days
> > > > > > > > > > > later, what
> > > > > > > > > > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or
> > > > > > > > > > > state of well
> > > > > > > > > > > being?
> > > > > > > > > > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel
> > > > > > > > > > > aspect of
> > > > > > > > > > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is
> > > > > > > > > > > not possible
> > > > > > > > > > > in the conscious realm.
> > > > > > > > > > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are
> > > > > > > > > > > enjoying
> > > > > > > > > > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question,
> > > > > > > > > > > were you really
> > > > > > > > > > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left
> > > > > > > > > > > and in a
> > > > > > > > > > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you
> > > > > > > > > > > physically
> > > > > > > > > > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in
> > > > > > > > > > > Japan really you
> > > > > > > > > > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at
> > > > > > > > > > > a party in
> > > > > > > > > > > Japan?
> > > > > > > > > > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I
> > > > > > > > > > > think I'm going
> > > > > > > > > > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream
> > > > > > > > > > > realm that is
> > > > > > > > > > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious
> > > > > > > > > > > > thought, and are a
> > > > > > > > > > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings,
> > > > > > > > > > > > brought to life
> > > > > > > > > > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display
> > > > > > > > > > > > the real state
> > > > > > > > > > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle
> > > > > > > > > > > > contemplation in that
> > > > > > > > > > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the
> > > > > > > > > > > > "mood" of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can
> > > > > > > > > > > > as be bizarre
> > > > > > > > > > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How
>
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