On 26 Aug, 15:33, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
> "... On Aug 26, 6:52 am, Pat <[email protected]>
> wrote: ..."
>
> > Rather, it's easily derivable from a Minkowski space-time.
> > Einstein knew it and Minkowski knew it. Arrogance is, quite often,
> > the opinion of the ignorant. I asked you to back up your assertion,
> > can you? And even more relevant to YOUR arrogance, how have you come
> > to know that which is unknowable and/or how do you know what is
> > knowable by me?
>
> I dispute your assertion that Minkowski and Einstein "knew" anything
> and I doubt whether either of them would be so arrogant as to say they
> "knew" something to be. I believe they would use more relative terms
> such as "based on such and such it appear that ....". I don't want
> this to break off into a discussion of knowledge and knowing but the
> arrogance implicit in such statements as "knowing" anything at all
> about such ethereal subjects is, as you say, an opinion of the
> ignorant supported by nothing so much as the hubris and bravado of the
> speaker (or writer in this case.)
>
> As regards your statement that my arrogance has come to let me know
> that which is unknowable, the easiest thing in the world is to know
> what one does not know and requires not arrogance but rather humility,
> a quality which seems to be missing in many of the statements here on
> ME of late.
Yet, you also expressed what I could know. And I doubt that you have
access to that outside of my telling you. That is, at least, as
arrogant. There's no "based on..." in the quote "God does not play
dice with the universe." Of course, Albert firmly believed what he
discovered to be true and we have found no evidence against it.
Rather, we've proven him right, time and time again. It's a belief
that I would (and may be forced to {if I piss off enough people with
it}) die for, so I state it emphatically.
Another Einstein quote: "In human freedom in the philosophical sense I
am definitely a disbeliever. Everybody acts not only under external
compulsion but also in accordance with inner necessity. Schopenhauer's
saying, that "a man can do as he will, but not will as he will," has
been an inspiration to me since my youth up, and a continual
consolation and unfailing well-spring of patience in the face of the
hardships of life, my own and others'. This feeling mercifully
mitigates the sense of responsibility which so easily becomes
paralysing, and it prevents us from taking ourselves and other people
too seriously; it conduces to a view of life in which humour, above
all, has its due place."
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