Again I don't know about that one Gruff.

We are all guilty of declaring with the utmost certianty that which we
'know' to be true.  I know that a creator God exists, am I arrogant
for saying so?  Do you find 'having the courage of your convictions'
arrogant, or is it rather the way that things come across that you
find fault with?

I think based wholely on subjective evidance and experiance of
interaction with people that none of us likes to be told we are wrong.





On 26 Aug, 15:33, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
> "... On Aug 26, 6:52 am, Pat <[email protected]>
> wrote: ..."
>
> > Rather, it's easily derivable from a Minkowski space-time.
> > Einstein knew it and Minkowski knew it.  Arrogance is, quite often,
> > the opinion of the ignorant.  I asked you to back up your assertion,
> > can you?  And even more relevant to YOUR arrogance, how have you come
> > to know that which is unknowable and/or how do you know what is
> > knowable by me?
>
> I dispute your assertion that Minkowski and Einstein "knew" anything
> and I doubt whether either of them would be so arrogant as to say they
> "knew" something to be.  I believe they would use more relative terms
> such as "based on such and such it appear that ....".  I don't want
> this to break off into a discussion of knowledge and knowing but the
> arrogance implicit in such statements as "knowing" anything at all
> about such ethereal subjects is, as you say, an opinion of the
> ignorant supported by nothing so much as the hubris and bravado of the
> speaker (or writer in this case.)
>
> As regards your statement that my arrogance has come to let me know
> that which is unknowable, the easiest thing in the world is to know
> what one does not know and requires not arrogance but rather humility,
> a quality which seems to be missing in many of the statements here on
> ME of late.
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