except to the awakened imagination, which manifests the possible into the real...
On Aug 28, 8:38 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 28 Aug, 13:23, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Heh is it wicked then of me to ask Molly, what if your awareness > > changes to reveal that Pat's ideas are wrong? > > That, my friend, whilst in the realms of possibility (as proven by > your imagining them) are not a part of the realm of reality. That > which is both imaginable and real is greater than that which is only > imaginable. > > > On 28 Aug, 13:16, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "What is that, Pat, all those other events that were equal > > > > > or even better alternates that did not happen ? Where are they ? Why > > > > are they ? What happens to them ? Are they nothing, meaningless, to > > > > be purged away from within us ?" > > > > As I understand it, Vam, they remain in the realm of possibility and, > > > as your viewpoint brings them into your experience, a change in > > > viewpoint or awareness will manifest the possibility into your > > > experience. If your view includes what some would call cosmic > > > consciousness, or the entire realm of possibility, you will bring this > > > into your experience - the possibility of the god within you - the > > > one. What you do - is change your view, or awareness. > > > > On Aug 28, 7:20 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 28 Aug, 11:06, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Good, Pat ! Indeed, Kingdom of God. I understand your saying : It is > > > > > One. It is God. It is Kingdom. It is I. That makes four - One, God, > > > > > Kingdom, and I. Now what ? You'd say, it is One. Then, why were / > > > > > are the other three there ? What good are they, the purpose ? Are > > > > > they or are they not ? > > > > > You are counting Maya. And you could go on endlessly and affect very > > > > little. > > > > > > On the other hand, whether it is four, three or one, it is I in > > > > > command now, facing the music, standing, retreating or advancing, > > > > > feeling, choking on my breath, dealing with my blood pressure, > > > > > thinking, confused, in doubt, knowing, analysing, having to see, deal > > > > > with, decide, not confident, weak, happy, sad, noise, pollution, > > > > > poverty, greed, good ... > > > > > Out of your own mouth: "having to see...". Where is your choice, > > > > there? For a moment, your hand betrayed your view of you. What > > > > choice did you have when you were thrust into this life? When did you > > > > 'acquire' your perceived ability to choose? It is not you, but the > > > > One that DOES all these things. > > > > > >It is I, with the choice and the power to > > > > > do or not to do, now. There is no automatic connection with all of > > > > > that idea of yours - four, three or one. None of that helps me with > > > > > this task I have before me. Nothing you say or have advised us to > > > > > obtain, in terms of idea or understanding, enters the picture unless I > > > > > reflect upon it four, nine or seventeen times. Which luxury I do not > > > > > have. It's to be done now. I even know I need to " do unto others, as > > > > > I do unto myself." But, everything is unclear, much even opposed to > > > > > me doing that. It just does not happen. It needs to be done, > > > > > everytime. Just doesn't happen, four, three or one notwithstanding ! > > > > > Then make it so. If you know the One, you would know I'm telling > > > > you the truth. If it takes reflection, so be it. You have all the > > > > time you need and you can do nothing to gather any more to yourself. > > > > > > The crucial role of I, even to me, is stark, direct and obvious. I'd > > > > > be much helped if I can reach within me, this I am forever intimate > > > > > and immediately one with, and find something to clarify this world > > > > > within I am faced with, lends me the courage to step up on to doing > > > > > what I need to, and strengthen me for the vicious consequences I might > > > > > face for my conduct. I'd like me to help myself, empower myself, and > > > > > others if I could. The One, God, Kingdom could help. But, if they too > > > > > mean what they've laid down and value what I need to ( unto > > > > > others ... ), they'd converge on me, in my decision and my action, > > > > > anyway. They'd be false if they did not, isn't it ? It is I who must > > > > > act and live with the consequences, and it is ' I ' I must summon > > > > > forth the strength and conviction from. > > > > > And you must, ultimately, know that it is THAT and not you. That > > > > Thou Art. I tell you nothing new, I only reinforce it. We each find > > > > the will within, of course, because there is no other. Whilst you may > > > > not like the taste of this medicine, perhaps you, were not in need of > > > > it. There are many ways to the One, but they all start and end with > > > > the realisation that it is not 'us' but the One. That We Are. Each > > > > of us. Everyone. > > > > > > The other, practical and philosophical, aspect of your idea is that it > > > > > has no place for all the events that do not manifest, happen, are > > > > > excluded in favour of the one event that does at any space - time > > > > > coordinate. What is that, Pat, all those other events that were equal > > > > > or even better alternates that did not happen ? Where are they ? Why > > > > > are they ? What happens to them ? Are they nothing, meaningless, to > > > > > be purged away from within us ? > > > > > They belong to the set of things that did not happen, or the set of > > > > things that are not happening or the set of things that will not > > > > happen. They exist in the Mind of God, to which you have access > > > > through your consciousness, but they are not a part of space-time. > > > > Their existence is eternal in the Calabi-Yau. I have said this > > > > before, too, and was not comprehended. > > > > > > I am not looking for a ' pat ' response, Pat. But I do want you to > > > > > appreciate these issues. Reality must spring from what is real to us. > > > > > Rather, you should accept reality as it is. Reality springs from > > > > the One, not from anything else, as there is nothing else. You make > > > > the same mistake in thinking that St. Anselm did by making the > > > > perceiver different than that which is perceived. This makes a > > > > division between you and the One. Know that all we say comes from the > > > > One, and with these words, I have NOT made the One a liar. > > > > > > On Aug 28, 1:16 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 27 Aug, 18:37, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > " Try as you might, you will only ever perform one event at any > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > place/time." > > > > > > > > You mean, Pat, that we cannot move both our hands at the same > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > causing two events at the same time ? > > > > > > > That's correct. Threy are separated by space-time not just by > > > > > > space. They are very close to one another, but they do not occupy > > > > > > the > > > > > > same space-time or you would perceive them as one. Time is joined > > > > > > to > > > > > > space and if you perceive a spatial difference, then you must admit > > > > > > a > > > > > > temporal one as well. > > > > > > > > From what I've seen in yoga, sports, talent and reality show > > > > > > > programmes on television, I visualise people with the ability to > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > their two legs, mouth, -----, or sundry other appendages at the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > time ! All this, multiple events at the same time, while being > > > > > > > at the > > > > > > > same extended point in space. > > > > > > > You allow the machinery of your body and its rate of perception > > > > > > with the reality of the matter. All things seemingly separated by > > > > > > space are, in fact, separated by space-time. We've known this to be > > > > > > true for almost 100 years. > > > > > > > > More importantly, apart from rooting the old commandments in > > > > > > > scientific perspective, what can the man in the street reach for > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the stringy energy theory, in terms of values for action or > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > and decision - making he's called upon to deliver on in his day > > > > > > > to day > > > > > > > life ... choice, will, discrimination, effort, behaviour, > > > > > > > relationship, profession, creativity, etc. > > > > > > > Simply put, my friend, he can reach for the Kingdom of God. When > > > > > > you accept that it is God that DOES, you will understand that God > > > > > > rules. And when God rules in your heart, the Kingdom (the > > > > > > rulership) > > > > > > of God is established within you. > > > > > > > > In other words, what does the theory have for the common man in > > > > > > > terms > > > > > > > of strength, clarity and direction, if one cannot appreciate the > > > > > > > rarified mathematics involved in it ? > > > > > > > It leads him to the Kingdom of God and it makes him understand that > > > > > > 'that which you do to others, you have done to yourself', as there > > > > > > is > > > > > > only One. > > > > > > > > On Aug 27, 9:21 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 27 Aug, 17:10, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Pat my fine fellow, that is just the thing, you keep on > > > > > > > > > saying, and do > > > > > > > > > no showing. > > > > > > > > > > Let me say this. I have two hands one is black the other is > > > > > > > > > white. > > > > > > > > > You do not belive me? Let me tell you this then. I have two > > > > > > > > > hands > > > > > > > > > one is white but the other is black. > > > > > > > > > > What you still do not belive me? Then let me explain this to > > > > > > > > > you. Of > > > > > > > > > the two hands that I have, one is black, but the other, it is > > > > > > > > > white! > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh so you would like me to show you both of my hands so > > > > > > > > > that you can > > > > > > > > > see the validity of my claims for yourself? Yes I will do > > > > > > > > > that.....tomorrow! > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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