Ahhh sorry mate, the post of mine I'm talking about would be my second in this thread.
On 1 Sep, 16:22, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Your first response, and my first response! > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Chris Jenkins > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I'm not surprised you're set in your perspective that Rand says the wrong > > things, given your responses about Determinism to Pat. Self Determinism is > > not much different, no? > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM, [email protected] < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > >> Umm yeah good one Chris. > > >> My first instinct is that communist philosphy on paper says the right > >> things, whilst of course Rand does not. > > >> On 27 Aug, 16:12, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > From here: > >>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/08/24/what-we-are-not-emb... > > >> > " > > >> > Here is a good debate proposition: It ought to be less embarrassing to > >> have > >> > been influenced by Ayn Rand than by Karl Marx. > > >> > The most powerful way to argue the affirmative is to compare the number > >> of > >> > human beings murdered by the devotees of each. That line of attack ought > >> to > >> > be decisive, but I’m afraid it won’t get you far with the multitude of > >> > highly-self-regarded thinkers influenced by Karl Marx. Fact is, > >> commitment > >> > to some kind of socialism and fluency in the jargon of Marxism used to > >> be > >> > mandatory for serious intellectuals. And there’s something glamorous in > >> the > >> > very idea of the intellectual. Even for those of us who came of age > >> after > >> > 1989, Marxism, like cigarettes, remains linked by association to the > >> idea of > >> > the intellectual, and so, like cigarettes, shares in the intellectual’s > >> > glamour. I don’t know if cigarettes or Marxism have killed more people, > >> but > >> > it’s pretty clear cigarettes are more actively stigmatized. Marxists, > >> > neo-Marxists, crypto-Marxists, post-Marxists, etc. have an enduring > >> > influence on intellectual fashion. So it is not only possible proudly to > >> > confess Marx’s influence on one’s thought, but it remains possible in > >> some > >> > quarters to impress by doing so. It ought to be embarrassing, but it > >> isn’t. > >> > Being a bit of a Marxist is like having a closet full of pirate blouses > >> but > >> > never having to worry." > > >> > This gave me pause for consideration. Rand's philosophies have been much > >> > maligned as "uncompassionate", while certain "socialist" (Marxist > >> Communist) > >> > policies have been held up as an ideal, and yet, how many people have > >> been > >> > killed in the name of Randian philosophy, and how many have been killed > >> in > >> > the name of Marxist philosophy? > > >> > What do YOU think? ;)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
