I will answer the question. Q : " Do you belive that if you go without water for long enough you will NOT fall into unconciousness ?"
A : Yes, YOU ( the idea of individuated ' I ' in consciousness ) may disappear, which is what I understand of your expression " fall(ing) into unconsciousness." To a yogi, who is trained into dealing with such experiential phenomena, it ( the ' I ' ) may not so disappear. I cannot be more clear than this. So, if you want more, you 'll have to find it in your own understanding and realisation. That is what I 'd suggested in my previous post. And yes, Lee, you are a nice chap ! On Sep 10, 4:43 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry Vam, I think you are stalling here. > > My questions to you have not been hard to figure out, I know I am > dyslexic, but I am not stupid, I can't spell and my hand writing is, I > can garentee you the worst you will see, but I do comprehend the > English language, I do know how to write, I have phrased my questions > in a way that there can be no misunderstandings between us. > > You sir know exactly what page I am on, I aksed you a direct question, > you answered, and I wanted double check that answer. Now when I > attempt to do that, you give me rubbish about nails and hammers and > advise me to go away and think a bit more. > > I smell evasion Vam, however because I am a nice chap, I'll ask for > that clarifcation again. > > Do you belive that if you go without water for long enough you will > NOT fall into unconciousness? > > Now that is a very straight forward question, please do answer it. > > On 10 Sep, 12:32, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It seems you are lost, Lee ! Give yourself time, and perhaps some > > more. You are attempting in a rush to nail down ' something,' as if > > your life depends on it, without catching hold of that which is to be > > nailed and without the hammer with which to nail it. > > > I advise you re - read my responses. I am implying distinctions > > between consciousness, forms of perceptions arising from consciousness > > that we perceive, and the instruments of perception. > > > Then perhaps you may specify what you are talking about, without us > > being on different pages / books ? > > > On Sep 10, 4:09 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Okay let me get this right Vam, you say that if you go without water > > > for long enough that you will NOT fall unconcious as conciouness does > > > not reside in the brain? > > > > On 10 Sep, 12:05, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes. The phenomenon pertains to forms perceived and the instruments of > > > > perception ... senses and the mind. > > > > > On Sep 10, 3:49 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > So you do not think it possible that if a person goes without water > > > > > for long enough that they will fall unconcious? > > > > > > On 10 Sep, 11:40, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Consciousness, No. The forms perceived in consciousness, Yes. The > > > > > > functioning of instruments of perception, Yes. > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 3:07 pm, "[email protected]" > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > That really has no bearing on the matter Vam. You admit that > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > without water affects concioussness, yes? > > > > > > > > We all know how important water is in keeping the body working > > > > > > > properly, yes? > > > > > > > > We can certianly then infer that if conciousness is effected by a > > > > > > > lack > > > > > > > of water, as are all biological functions, then conciousness is a > > > > > > > function of biology, yes or no? > > > > > > > > On 10 Sep, 10:41, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > " conciousness must be part of the brain, must be part of our > > > > > > > > biology > > > > > > > > otherwise how would a lack of water for 30 days affect it? " > > > > > > > > > Children are affected by lightening, even traumatised by > > > > > > > > earthquakes. > > > > > > > > That does not mean children are born of lightening or > > > > > > > > earthquakes, > > > > > > > > Lee ! > > > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2:35 pm, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey Vam did you not notcie this bit: > > > > > > > > > > '(apart from our bodies dependancy upon it of course)' > > > > > > > > > > Now taking this and what you have said here then it shows that > > > > > > > > > conciousness must be part of the brain, must be part of our > > > > > > > > > biology > > > > > > > > > otherwise how would a lack of water for 30 days affect it? > > > > > > > > > > On 9 Sep, 17:33, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Try using your mind after 30 days of going without water, > > > > > > > > > > Lee ! > > > > > > > > > > You'll understand how important water is to cognitive > > > > > > > > > > access to forms > > > > > > > > > > of consciousness. The last part was deliberately > > > > > > > > > > expressed, as I do > > > > > > > > > > not believe that nothing has anything to with consciousness > > > > > > > > > > ( pure, > > > > > > > > > > like space ) per se but only with forms perceived in > > > > > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:20 pm, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Umm there seems some flaw here, now what is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh yes! > > > > > > > > > > > > If I was to suggest that to manipulate where a car goes > > > > > > > > > > > you need to > > > > > > > > > > > use the stearing wheel, that sounds about right yes? > > > > > > > > > > > > I was to further say that a stearing wheel does not in > > > > > > > > > > > fact stear the > > > > > > > > > > > car, it only manipulates where the car can be steared, > > > > > > > > > > > then maybe > > > > > > > > > > > you'll begin to see what is wrong with your statement > > > > > > > > > > > above? > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can manipulate our conciousness via the use of > > > > > > > > > > > electricity and > > > > > > > > > > > chemicals, then it is safe to assume that our > > > > > > > > > > > conciousness uses both > > > > > > > > > > > electricity and chemicals in order to work, yes or no? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or put in another way. If I drink a glass of water and > > > > > > > > > > > notice no > > > > > > > > > > > change in the way my conciousness is working then it is > > > > > > > > > > > safe to > > > > > > > > > > > suggest that water is not a mechinism that conciousness > > > > > > > > > > > uses in order > > > > > > > > > > > to work.(apart from our bodies dependancy upon it of > > > > > > > > > > > course) > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Sep, 14:48, Justintruth <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > These experiments lend a lot of experimental support to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness being primarily chemical and electrical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually they do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > They just lend a lot of experimental support to > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness being > > > > > > > > > > > > manipulate-able through chemical and electrical > > > > > > > > > > > > manipulation of ones > > > > > > > > > > > > brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we already knew that. 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