That 's hopelessly incorrect. Google Vipasna. You must come face to face with the demons ( devil ) within you, see them off to ' finish,' before entering the light and peace within you. That 's the standard, well - known process.> Vam
That would be the interim states of consciousness that I was referring, the sorting out, separating the wheat from the chaff then continuing on the journey. Though the process might be different. On Sep 13, 8:33 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > " Everyone has some ugly in them but they never seem to find it in > meditation ... " > > That 's hopelessly incorrect. Google Vipasna. You must come face to > face with the demons ( devil ) within you, see them off to ' finish,' > before entering the light and peace within you. That 's the standard, > well - known process. > > I also see why people do not speak of the ugliness they discover and > know of within themselves. Because it is ugly, it is theirs > individually, and upto no good for others. They speak of the light, > peace and good, because that what is enduring, more true, more useful > news for others. > > On Sep 13, 11:23 pm, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > 2009/9/13 Vam <[email protected]>: > > > > " This makes me wonder if one only finds what one wishes to find and > > > therefore the result arises from the subject's own wishes and desires > > > rather than some other alternate state of being or reality." > > > > Most do not reach it. And that is a ' nasty ' experience ... to try > > > and meet the block. The process is often nasty. > > > > Yet, you may not be far from your conclusion about those who actually > > > experience it ... that, it fulfills one's own wishes and desires. Some > > > traditions term ' IT ' as the wish fulfilling tree. In a way, what > > > good is the ' thing ' if it does not fulfills my deepest desire ! > > > That it does lends, in part, ITS value to us. > > > I see. So one does not discover the nature of reality then, it is the > > nature of themselves, I suppose. But then, if so, everyone sees the > > nature of themselves as pleasant, never ugly. > > > Heck, without deep introspection and meditation I can find lots about > > myself that is ugly while fully conscious. > > > You see I can introspect and chant forever and nada, nothing, zip > > zilch. I don't find that nasty at all. When I lived in China I spent > > some considerable time in a Buddhist temple. I think they gave up on > > me. :) > > > No good stuff no bad stuff. So I am really interested why it is always > > presented as good, never ugly. Everyone has some ugly in them but they > > never seem to find it in meditation, perhaps it is not that useful if > > it provides a false sense of self that is always lovely. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
