the shadow!
On Sep 14, 3:49 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> That 's hopelessly incorrect. Google Vipasna. You must come face to
> face with the demons ( devil ) within you, see them off to ' finish,'
> before entering the light and peace within you. That 's the standard,
> well - known process.> Vam
>
> That would be the interim states of consciousness that I was
> referring, the sorting out, separating the wheat from the chaff then
> continuing on the journey. Though the process might be different.
>
> On Sep 13, 8:33 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > " Everyone has some ugly in them but they never seem to find it in
> > meditation ... "
>
> > That 's hopelessly incorrect. Google Vipasna. You must come face to
> > face with the demons ( devil ) within you, see them off to ' finish,'
> > before entering the light and peace within you. That 's the standard,
> > well - known process.
>
> > I also see why people do not speak of the ugliness they discover and
> > know of within themselves. Because it is ugly, it is theirs
> > individually, and upto no good for others. They speak of the light,
> > peace and good, because that what is enduring, more true, more useful
> > news for others.
>
> > On Sep 13, 11:23 pm, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > 2009/9/13 Vam <[email protected]>:
>
> > > > " This makes me wonder if one only finds what one wishes to find and
> > > > therefore the result arises from the subject's own wishes and desires
> > > > rather than some other alternate state of being or reality."
>
> > > > Most do not reach it. And that is a ' nasty ' experience ... to try
> > > > and meet the block. The process is often nasty.
>
> > > > Yet, you may not be far from your conclusion about those who actually
> > > > experience it ... that, it fulfills one's own wishes and desires. Some
> > > > traditions term ' IT ' as the wish fulfilling tree. In a way, what
> > > > good is the ' thing ' if it does not fulfills my deepest desire !
> > > > That it does lends, in part, ITS value to us.
>
> > > I see. So one does not discover the nature of reality then, it is the
> > > nature of themselves, I suppose. But then, if so, everyone sees the
> > > nature of themselves as pleasant, never ugly.
>
> > > Heck, without deep introspection and meditation I can find lots about
> > > myself that is ugly while fully conscious.
>
> > > You see I can introspect and chant forever and nada, nothing, zip
> > > zilch. I don't find that nasty at all. When I lived in China I spent
> > > some considerable time in a Buddhist temple. I think they gave up on
> > > me. :)
>
> > > No good stuff no bad stuff. So I am really interested why it is always
> > > presented as good, never ugly. Everyone has some ugly in them but they
> > > never seem to find it in meditation, perhaps it is not that useful if
> > > it provides a false sense of self that is always lovely.
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