Sorry Lon - 'conditions for existence' is Kantian jive - generally
stuff emerges in relation to other stuff.  I used to get great
pleasure from music, mostly classical, but have lost this since I was
badly hurt years ago - I assume the music hasn't changed, but my
emotional reactions to it have.  If there was more honesty we might
all be more hospitable and so on.

On 28 Sep, 20:39, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree, our feelings based reactions aren't really conductive to
> anything besides the concerns more immediate and visceral.  But
> sometimes I wonder if our overactive brains haven't managed to make
> things too complicated.
>
> I'm not sure I read a 'conditions for existence' discussion, but it
> does seem that the difference between us and 'animals' are in shades
> of grey.
>
> On Sep 28, 2:00 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It seems to me we can play physical games and mental games involving
> > negative feedback in terms of resistance to and amplification of what
> > we will feel.  Emotion as a source of anything like love, justice,
> > decency seems a non-starter.  One might, once again, wonder about
> > 'conditions for existence' - and some of these conditions are shared
> > by animals.
>
> > On 28 Sep, 19:09, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Does emotion really need to be that metaphysical?
>
> > > We are physical creatures, and our emotions and feelings are part of
> > > our physical interface to the world.  A cat's fur stands on end to
> > > make the animal look larger upon encountering a dog.  A stag's body
> > > fills with adrenaline with the thrill of combat.  I don't think these
> > > emotions are any different than ours.
>
> > > Our main problem our feelings and the physical reactions that go with
> > > are still linked baser, more animal reactions, and they may be
> > > obsolete for the situation in our complex world.  This is a problem
> > > because our feelings and emotions are much closer to our animal mind,
> > > which usually gets a drop on our more rational thought processes.
>
> > > The neat thing about ourselves is that our minds create an internal
> > > world to percieve.  This leads us to having physical reactions to non
> > > physical situations.  This is the primary reason for the existance of
> > > our minds, to be able to predict or engineer pain and joy. Strangely
> > > enough, it is by invoking those feelings on a smaller scale.- Hide quoted 
> > > text -
>
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