Very dismissive Molly. You two go right ahead, just no hair pulling!
On Sep 30, 3:58 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> very patronizing, Orn. If gabby has an interpretation of the Blake
> quote, I would like to hear it.
>
> On Sep 30, 6:51 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Here endith the ‘tis’, ‘tisn’t’ debate, OK “girls”?
>
> > On Sep 30, 2:43 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > No, do you?
>
> > > On Sep 30, 4:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Do you need a fresh-up on twin tower experiences that you come up with
> > > > this very loose interpretation of poor old Blakey?
>
> > > > On 30 Sep., 21:09, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > William Blake:
>
> > > > > 'Then those in Great Eternity who contemplate on Death
> > > > > Said thus. What seems to Be: Is: To those to whom
> > > > > It seems to Be, & is productive of the most dreadful
> > > > > Consequences to those to whom it seems to Be"
>
> > > > > Contemplating on death is seeing the limitation in your experience. A
> > > > > focus on the dreadful consequences becomes the experience of those to
> > > > > whom it seems to be. Seeing the eternal life removes the limits. The
> > > > > dreadful consequences are no longer central to the experience.
>
> > > > > On Sep 30, 11:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Axis of evil" is a term coined by United States President George W.
> > > > > > Bush in his State of the Union Address on January 29, 2002 in order
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > describe governments that he accused of helping terrorism and
> > > > > > seeking
> > > > > > weapons of mass destruction. President Bush named Iran, Iraq and
> > > > > > North
> > > > > > Korea in his speech. President Bush's presidency was marked by this
> > > > > > notion as a justification for the War on Terror.
>
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil
>
> > > > > > On Sep 30, 10:40 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Well in that line of reasoning we could simply say that there
> > > > > > > must be
> > > > > > > a creator of God and of that creator as well, setting off an
> > > > > > > endless
> > > > > > > series of the creator's creators. We know of the universe, of
> > > > > > > vacuums
> > > > > > > and phenomena. We see, utilize, experience and understand much
> > > > > > > of it
> > > > > > > and perhaps within the nothingness there is the consciousness
> > > > > > > that is
> > > > > > > all things. However, all things did not come with books to tell
> > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > that they are because they are simply there, before books.
> > > > > > > Lightning
> > > > > > > and thunder are there but it is the book that told people what the
> > > > > > > lightning and thunder were, not by science but by simple
> > > > > > > rationale,
> > > > > > > naive reasoning and superstitious fears. I can understand if the
> > > > > > > belief is that God is the essence of all things, of all life, but
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > just don't subscribe to books written by the ancients that conjure
> > > > > > > fear, promote discrimination, justify torture, and literally allow
> > > > > > > humanity to audaciously claim divinity and creation in the image
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > God . The stories and the history of it all is absurd and
> > > > > > > ludicrous.
> > > > > > > Sure there is some insightful biblical content but Gibran's The
> > > > > > > Prophet and others are as well. We could read Aristotle, Plato,
> > > > > > > Ghandi and others and get some degree of enlightenment. You
> > > > > > > expect me
> > > > > > > to believe that only those desert/cave dwellers were capable of
> > > > > > > writing something that could be considered the word of God, what
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > we today a bunch of morons, or were they? To think that I can't
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > a happy life full of richness and reward unless I believe in the
> > > > > > > bible
> > > > > > > is, to me, ridiculous. Why people waste their time with it
> > > > > > > instead of
> > > > > > > getting down to the business of living is beyond comprehension.
> > > > > > > In my
> > > > > > > view more time has be wasted and often progress stifled by the
> > > > > > > conflicts surrounding these beliefs. Look at all the countries
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > are polarized by all this religious nonsense. Religion may have
> > > > > > > served a purpose when the land was in chaos as it brought some
> > > > > > > sense
> > > > > > > of direction and a semblance of order, but then again the
> > > > > > > preachings
> > > > > > > of Peter of celibacy caused a great uproar among the aristocracy
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the time and caused his crucifixion, upside down I might add, even
> > > > > > > then only if the story is true and maybe he should had remembered
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > commandment, "be fruitful, multiply and fill the earth". In
> > > > > > > today's
> > > > > > > world I find religion to be simply a huge nuisance and a barrier
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > humanity's progress. How many wars are currently in engagement on
> > > > > > > account of religion? How much death, pain and suffering can we
> > > > > > > attribute to these archaic beliefs? Bush claimed the God wanted
> > > > > > > him
> > > > > > > to be president and then bombed the hell out of Iraq, killing
> > > > > > > thousands. He claimed an "axis of evil" and what basis of thought
> > > > > > > would lead one to conclude that? If we could just address the
> > > > > > > needs
> > > > > > > of the world, find ways of living that benefit all then we might
> > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > the end of religious persecution and separatism. Please note I'm
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > angry about any of it, I'm glad I'm free of it all and I'm having
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > wonderful day.
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 30, 8:52 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > It turns out that energy is not a conserved quantity in
> > > > > > > > physics. That
> > > > > > > > is just a local phenomena. See General Relativity by Wald. I was
> > > > > > > > amazed to read it but apparently its as true as the latest
> > > > > > > > physics.
>
> > > > > > > > You say "energy is" but where is god?
>
> > > > > > > > There are many things that are besides energy no? And none of
> > > > > > > > them are
> > > > > > > > the reason that they are. Why is energy so special? Anything
> > > > > > > > that is
> > > > > > > > not the reason for its existence must rely on some other
> > > > > > > > principle to
> > > > > > > > distinguish it from the non-existing. You said. "Energy is". If
> > > > > > > > I say
> > > > > > > > that means it "has being" would you agree? And wouldn't you
> > > > > > > > also agree
> > > > > > > > that the fact that it is, is not energy? The fact that it is is
> > > > > > > > being, right? Color is. And color is not the reason that color
> > > > > > > > is. The
> > > > > > > > fact that color is, is because it is, not because it has color.
> > > > > > > > So
> > > > > > > > again, just like energy, the fact that color is is because of
> > > > > > > > being.
> > > > > > > > Being is not color. And by becoming aware of the meaning of
> > > > > > > > that term
> > > > > > > > and distinction you can unlock the meaning of a lot of the
> > > > > > > > religious
> > > > > > > > literature which is not literal nor a physical description.
>
> > > > > > > > You say "Where is God"? Need God be somewhere to be? Take the
> > > > > > > > fact
> > > > > > > > that 1 + 1 = 2 in the usual mathematics. Now that is a fact and
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > means that that fact is. Where is that fact? Look at history.
> > > > > > > > Where is
> > > > > > > > it? Does history reside in some place? Only spacial objects have
> > > > > > > > locations. In fact the meaning of an object is inherently
> > > > > > > > related to
> > > > > > > > the space it occupies. The meaning of the term object, and being
> > > > > > > > completely confused by it, is why many people cannot understand
> > > > > > > > religion and ask questions like: Where is god? God isn't
> > > > > > > > anywhere, or
> > > > > > > > if you prefer God is everywhere (and beyond). God is not
> > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > that can be in a given place and not in others. Outside of any
> > > > > > > > thing -
> > > > > > > > by definition - is that which "is not" the thing. But outside
> > > > > > > > of God
> > > > > > > > there is. In fact even nothing is not outside of god. Take a
> > > > > > > > good look
> > > > > > > > at a vacuum... and I am not refering to the vacuum energy but a
> > > > > > > > true
> > > > > > > > zero energy vacuum... that is basically - by definition -
> > > > > > > > nothing. Do
> > > > > > > > you really think a vacuum isn't? It has properties. So even a
> > > > > > > > vacuum,
> > > > > > > > assuming one could realize it, "is" nothing and is therefore
> > > > > > > > created
> > > > > > > > by God.
>
> > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 9:44 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > What does it matter in the case of energy, it is there, we
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > harnessed much of it and discovered many new energies.
> > > > > > > > > Energy is,
> > > > > > > > > where is God?
>
> > > > > > > > > Just reading this stuff reveals it's inanity.
>
> > > > > > > > > "On the morning of the third day there were thunders and
> > > > > > > > > lightnings,
> > > > > > > > > and a thick cloud upon the mountain, and a very loud trumpet
> > > > > > > > > blast, so
> > > > > > > > > that all the people who were in the camp trembled. Then Moses
> > > > > > > > > brought
> > > > > > > > > the people out of the camp to meet God; and they took their
> > > > > > > > > stand at
> > > > > > > > > the foot of the mountain. And Mount Sinai was wrapped in
> > > > > > > > > smoke,
> > > > > > > > > because The Lord descended upon it in fire; and the smoke of
> > > > > > > > > it went
> > > > > > > > > up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain quaked
> > > > > > > > > greatly.
> > > > > > > > > And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses
> > > > > > > > > spoke,
> > > > > > > > > and God answered him in thunder."
> > > > > > > > > (Exodus 19:16-19)
>
> > > > > > > > > Sounds like California, lol
>
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 9:31 am, Pat <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On 29 Sep, 14:47, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > You might want to cite your sources if you are going to
> > > > > > > > > > > C&P.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > St. Thomas Aquinas?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Fossil arguments against evolution?
> > > > > > > > > > > Even IF fossil science discounts Darwinian theory it does
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > conversely establish Creation.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Michael Denton, Evolution; a theory in crisis, page 328-29
> > > > > > > > > > > Denton is a molecular biologist and an agnostic. Highly
> > > > > > > > > > > assumptive.
>
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