very patronizing, Orn. If gabby has an interpretation of the Blake quote, I would like to hear it.
On Sep 30, 6:51 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Here endith the ‘tis’, ‘tisn’t’ debate, OK “girls”? > > On Sep 30, 2:43 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No, do you? > > > On Sep 30, 4:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Do you need a fresh-up on twin tower experiences that you come up with > > > this very loose interpretation of poor old Blakey? > > > > On 30 Sep., 21:09, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > William Blake: > > > > > 'Then those in Great Eternity who contemplate on Death > > > > Said thus. What seems to Be: Is: To those to whom > > > > It seems to Be, & is productive of the most dreadful > > > > Consequences to those to whom it seems to Be" > > > > > Contemplating on death is seeing the limitation in your experience. A > > > > focus on the dreadful consequences becomes the experience of those to > > > > whom it seems to be. Seeing the eternal life removes the limits. The > > > > dreadful consequences are no longer central to the experience. > > > > > On Sep 30, 11:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "Axis of evil" is a term coined by United States President George W. > > > > > Bush in his State of the Union Address on January 29, 2002 in order to > > > > > describe governments that he accused of helping terrorism and seeking > > > > > weapons of mass destruction. President Bush named Iran, Iraq and North > > > > > Korea in his speech. President Bush's presidency was marked by this > > > > > notion as a justification for the War on Terror. > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil > > > > > > On Sep 30, 10:40 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well in that line of reasoning we could simply say that there must > > > > > > be > > > > > > a creator of God and of that creator as well, setting off an endless > > > > > > series of the creator's creators. We know of the universe, of > > > > > > vacuums > > > > > > and phenomena. We see, utilize, experience and understand much of > > > > > > it > > > > > > and perhaps within the nothingness there is the consciousness that > > > > > > is > > > > > > all things. However, all things did not come with books to tell us > > > > > > that they are because they are simply there, before books. > > > > > > Lightning > > > > > > and thunder are there but it is the book that told people what the > > > > > > lightning and thunder were, not by science but by simple rationale, > > > > > > naive reasoning and superstitious fears. I can understand if the > > > > > > belief is that God is the essence of all things, of all life, but I > > > > > > just don't subscribe to books written by the ancients that conjure > > > > > > fear, promote discrimination, justify torture, and literally allow > > > > > > humanity to audaciously claim divinity and creation in the image of > > > > > > God . The stories and the history of it all is absurd and > > > > > > ludicrous. > > > > > > Sure there is some insightful biblical content but Gibran's The > > > > > > Prophet and others are as well. We could read Aristotle, Plato, > > > > > > Ghandi and others and get some degree of enlightenment. You expect > > > > > > me > > > > > > to believe that only those desert/cave dwellers were capable of > > > > > > writing something that could be considered the word of God, what are > > > > > > we today a bunch of morons, or were they? To think that I can't > > > > > > have > > > > > > a happy life full of richness and reward unless I believe in the > > > > > > bible > > > > > > is, to me, ridiculous. Why people waste their time with it instead > > > > > > of > > > > > > getting down to the business of living is beyond comprehension. In > > > > > > my > > > > > > view more time has be wasted and often progress stifled by the > > > > > > conflicts surrounding these beliefs. Look at all the countries that > > > > > > are polarized by all this religious nonsense. Religion may have > > > > > > served a purpose when the land was in chaos as it brought some sense > > > > > > of direction and a semblance of order, but then again the preachings > > > > > > of Peter of celibacy caused a great uproar among the aristocracy of > > > > > > the time and caused his crucifixion, upside down I might add, even > > > > > > then only if the story is true and maybe he should had remembered > > > > > > the > > > > > > commandment, "be fruitful, multiply and fill the earth". In today's > > > > > > world I find religion to be simply a huge nuisance and a barrier to > > > > > > humanity's progress. How many wars are currently in engagement on > > > > > > account of religion? How much death, pain and suffering can we > > > > > > attribute to these archaic beliefs? Bush claimed the God wanted him > > > > > > to be president and then bombed the hell out of Iraq, killing > > > > > > thousands. He claimed an "axis of evil" and what basis of thought > > > > > > would lead one to conclude that? If we could just address the needs > > > > > > of the world, find ways of living that benefit all then we might see > > > > > > the end of religious persecution and separatism. Please note I'm > > > > > > not > > > > > > angry about any of it, I'm glad I'm free of it all and I'm having a > > > > > > wonderful day. > > > > > > > On Sep 30, 8:52 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It turns out that energy is not a conserved quantity in physics. > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > is just a local phenomena. See General Relativity by Wald. I was > > > > > > > amazed to read it but apparently its as true as the latest > > > > > > > physics. > > > > > > > > You say "energy is" but where is god? > > > > > > > > There are many things that are besides energy no? And none of > > > > > > > them are > > > > > > > the reason that they are. Why is energy so special? Anything that > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > not the reason for its existence must rely on some other > > > > > > > principle to > > > > > > > distinguish it from the non-existing. You said. "Energy is". If I > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > that means it "has being" would you agree? And wouldn't you also > > > > > > > agree > > > > > > > that the fact that it is, is not energy? The fact that it is is > > > > > > > being, right? Color is. And color is not the reason that color > > > > > > > is. The > > > > > > > fact that color is, is because it is, not because it has color. So > > > > > > > again, just like energy, the fact that color is is because of > > > > > > > being. > > > > > > > Being is not color. And by becoming aware of the meaning of that > > > > > > > term > > > > > > > and distinction you can unlock the meaning of a lot of the > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > literature which is not literal nor a physical description. > > > > > > > > You say "Where is God"? Need God be somewhere to be? Take the fact > > > > > > > that 1 + 1 = 2 in the usual mathematics. Now that is a fact and > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > means that that fact is. Where is that fact? Look at history. > > > > > > > Where is > > > > > > > it? Does history reside in some place? Only spacial objects have > > > > > > > locations. In fact the meaning of an object is inherently related > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the space it occupies. The meaning of the term object, and being > > > > > > > completely confused by it, is why many people cannot understand > > > > > > > religion and ask questions like: Where is god? God isn't > > > > > > > anywhere, or > > > > > > > if you prefer God is everywhere (and beyond). God is not something > > > > > > > that can be in a given place and not in others. Outside of any > > > > > > > thing - > > > > > > > by definition - is that which "is not" the thing. But outside of > > > > > > > God > > > > > > > there is. In fact even nothing is not outside of god. Take a good > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > at a vacuum... and I am not refering to the vacuum energy but a > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > zero energy vacuum... that is basically - by definition - > > > > > > > nothing. Do > > > > > > > you really think a vacuum isn't? It has properties. So even a > > > > > > > vacuum, > > > > > > > assuming one could realize it, "is" nothing and is therefore > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > by God. > > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 9:44 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What does it matter in the case of energy, it is there, we have > > > > > > > > harnessed much of it and discovered many new energies. Energy > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > where is God? > > > > > > > > > Just reading this stuff reveals it's inanity. > > > > > > > > > "On the morning of the third day there were thunders and > > > > > > > > lightnings, > > > > > > > > and a thick cloud upon the mountain, and a very loud trumpet > > > > > > > > blast, so > > > > > > > > that all the people who were in the camp trembled. Then Moses > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > the people out of the camp to meet God; and they took their > > > > > > > > stand at > > > > > > > > the foot of the mountain. And Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke, > > > > > > > > because The Lord descended upon it in fire; and the smoke of it > > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain quaked > > > > > > > > greatly. > > > > > > > > And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses > > > > > > > > spoke, > > > > > > > > and God answered him in thunder." > > > > > > > > (Exodus 19:16-19) > > > > > > > > > Sounds like California, lol > > > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 9:31 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 29 Sep, 14:47, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You might want to cite your sources if you are going to C&P. > > > > > > > > > > > St. Thomas Aquinas? > > > > > > > > > > > Fossil arguments against evolution? > > > > > > > > > > Even IF fossil science discounts Darwinian theory it does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > conversely establish Creation. > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Denton, Evolution; a theory in crisis, page 328-29 > > > > > > > > > > Denton is a molecular biologist and an agnostic. Highly > > > > > > > > > > assumptive. > > > > > > > > > > > You are obviously impressed with paper science concerning > > > > > > > > > > the origin > > > > > > > > > > of life, yet there is no established proof for creation by > > > > > > > > > > design. > > > > > > > > > > > What is the origin of God? > > > > > > > > > > Energy is neither created nor destroyed. What is the > > > > > > > > > origin of > > > > > > > > > energy? The answer to my question will answer yours. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 10:52 pm, Adam > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
