Witty ..ha ha On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > What sort of idiot really thinks the richest > > nation on Earth can't afford a system like that of creaky old > > England! An idiot who can't recognise he is stealing treatment from > > an overseas qualified staff needed back home I would guess. -Arch > > This kind of idiot; me. Liberals across the pond are so much more > sensible then they are here. Your last line reminds me of an old song > from one of my favorite Brit. rock bands: Uriah Heep. Words pasted > here for your convenience but must be heard to fully appreciate. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Ef8dEgHVk > > Stealin' > > Take me across the river, > 'Cause I need some place to hide. > I done the rancher's daughter, > and I sure did hurt his pride! (heh-heh). > Ooh- Ooh, Ooh- Ooh, Ahh, Ahh, Ahh. > Ooh- Ooh, Ooh- Ooh, Ahh, Ahh, Ahh. > > Well there's a 100 miles of desert lies > between his hide and mine. > I don't need no food and no water Lord, > cause I'm runnin' out of time. > > Fightin', killin', wine and women, > gonna put me to my grave. > Runnin', hidin', losin', cryin', > with nothin' left to save...... > But my life! > Ooh- Ooh, Ooh- Ooh, Ahh, Ahh, Ahh. > Ooh- Ooh, Ooh- Ooh, Ahh, Ahh, Ahh. > > Stood on a ridge and shunned religion, > thinkin' the world was mine. > I made my break and a big mistake, > Stealin' when I should have been buyin'. > All that fightin' and killin', wine and those women, > gonna put me to an early grave. > Runnin', hidin', losin', cryin', with nothin' left to save... > but my > life,...life,....life,...life,....life,....life,...life,...life,....LIFE! > > Woo! > > So I stood on a ridge and shunned religion, > thinkin' the world was mine. > I made my break and a big mistake, > Stealin' when I should have been buyin'! > I was Stealin' when I should have been buyin'. > I was Stealin' when I should have been buyin'. > > Yeah! > > Stealin',....When I should have been buyin'. > Stealin',....When I should have been buyin'. > Stealin',....When I should have been buyin'. > Stealin',....When I should have been buyin'. > Stealin',....Wooh! > Stealin',....Ah, ah, ah, yeah,... I was, > Stealin',....When I should have been buyin'. > Stealin',....Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah. > Stealin',....ooh,ooh,ooh,ooh. > Stealin',....Rock and Roll,...Alright! > Stealin',....Rock and Roll,...Alright! > Stealin',....Buyin', buyin' > Stealin',....Shoulda, shoulda, shoulda been buyin'. > Stealin',....Shoulda, shoulda, shoulda been buyin'. > Stealin',....Shoulda, shoulda, shoulda been buyin' Babe. > Stealin',....Buyin' Babe, Yeah! > Wooh! > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:28 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Perhaps the Nazis were only preparing the way for private medicine - > > removing all those people likely to cost insurance companies money. > > Down the road there is a woman living in a £300,000 house costing the > > State about £250,000 a year to maintain with her 4 autistic kids - she > > knew it was very likely her children would be so. We allow this kind > > of thing whilst not operating on fat people or smokers, letting others > > die as drugs are too expensive and so on. I wonder at what point > > those advocating private medicine recognise just how 'ableist' they > > are? I'd bet many of them are PC freaks. > > Medical bureaucracy and overpayment to professionals making themselves > > in short supply is probably where our focus should be. Medical > > students are not much brighter than the rest and a lot of doctoring > > jobs are actually pretty simple compared with the training they forget > > (much of it useless) - we could easily train more doctors, do it > > quicker (by taking on mature people) and bring down the salary > > overhead. The bureaucrats could all be sent to the Happy Valley Year > > Zero 'community farm'. Wouldn't matter then whether medicine was > > nationalised or private. > > > > We've been misled on this debate for decades - even know I see > > articles fro McKinsey drones claiming private medicine is much more > > innovative and efficient. Cobblers! Both forms can be highly > > inefficient. Singapore may be best and that place is ruthlessly > > organised. The very medical insurance won by unions is now the reason > > our manufacturing firms can't compete. The jobs that have gone are > > always replaced by dud ones with dismal conditions or (here) in the > > public sector doing bureaucracy. Something structural has changed > > that make our arguments in this area completely dud. I would > > personally whip the benefit hordes back to work if there was any work > > (other than in flogging). Even if Francis had private insurance, he > > might lose it in retirement - in the good old UK many will lose > > pensions (already have) and other benefits. In the US all it takes is > > for someone to have had it away with the funds in so-called good > > times. > > > > Even arguments that NHS-style provision leads to foreigners coming in > > to rip off our hard work are shaky - we've been lazing away eating > > their cheaply produced food for decades and relying on their cheap > > labour and miserable working conditions. Even if we've been putting > > the hours in it's likely lots of the effort was for no decent > > purpose. According to Hannah Arendt, the Nazis were very good at > > practising banal evil and even people who worked in the notorious > > 'baby factories' claimed not to understand what they were doing, not > > to know what concentration camps were for and so on. Just because we > > don't see people dying as our bureaucracy shields us from the actual > > death, doesn't mean we aren't making the same cowardly decisions the > > Nazi-followers made. What sort of idiot really thinks the richest > > nation on Earth can't afford a system like that of creaky old > > England! An idiot who can't recognise he is stealing treatment from > > an overseas qualified staff needed back home I would guess. > > > > On 3 Oct, 17:48, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Gorby has come out recently and said that Thatcher and other right- > >> wing flops wanted him to crush German reunification. I tend to find > >> the country rather like the fair-minded, well educated and progressive > >> Britain I was supposed to be living in. I rather liked my trips to > >> the old DDR for that matter - there was even something good amongst > >> the lunacy and repression. Even in this civilized country there is > >> little real progress towards a real understanding of how we might live > >> if we can break the military-consumerist fetish. Private medicine > >> would be OK if insurance was a genuine form not based on only taking > >> people unlikely to be ill - but we'd still need to restrict white > >> collar criminals (doctors etc.) taking rip-off fees. > >> > >> On 3 Oct, 14:31, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > And a happy German Unity Day to you too, Gabby! > >> > >> > I am in complete agreement with you on the health care issue. (Well, > >> > ok, apart from anything else, I work in the health area :-)) I see us > >> > facing difficult times in Germany in this area following the recent > >> > election results. The so-called liberals (the junior partner in the > >> > next government) are on record as saying they want the whole health > >> > system completely privatised. Already the pressure towards a two-class > >> > health system is growing. Free market experts talk about us all taking > >> > more responsibility for ourselves and the availability of private > >> > supplemental insurance. Even on a purely personal area it worries me - > >> > as someone middle-aged, with a medical history of treated alcoholism > >> > and an artificial hip, the rates I would have to pay for private > >> > supplementary insurance are far beyond my means. > >> > >> > The challenge for the united Germany remains the same as it was twenty > >> > years ago - to achieve and maintain a just and fair society for all > >> > its residents, whether in Duisburg or Dresden. > >> > >> > Francis > >> > >> > On 3 Okt., 14:44, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > Let me explain. > >> > >> > > I was born in West-Berlin 7 years after a wall was raised that > >> > > protected the East from the fascism of the West. Unfortunately, > West- > >> > > Berlin was in the middle of East-Germany. My relatively poor > geography > >> > > marks give testimony of this circumstance. Times have changed and > >> > > fascism has become a too difficult word to employ. Instead, becoming > >> > > aware of the need to fight for the right idea has become more and > more > >> > > important. To have the right on my side has become the essence of > our > >> > > democracy. > >> > >> > > Chris and Craig are right to assure each other (on Facebook) that > our > >> > > compulsory medical insurance system without a loud and heartfelt > >> > > discussion on fines, penalties and death sentence for those who > dream > >> > > of dropping out of this system is wimpy and retarded. Welcome back, > >> > > new fascism! > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
