Surely I will meet you in the afterbook Pat - not because I am a
saint, but because I am to crass to be embarrassed!  I went out for a
couple of pints last night to discover Bolton closed.  This was my
first venture for a couple of months and I'm afraid this sad town is
in real trouble.  The boozers don't really matter, but the heart of
any opportunity for meeting in such a traditional way might.  In pub
one, one old mate now retired was waxing lyrical on the dismal owner
being hated by 75% of potential custom and a bent clique running the
social club and in number two I discovered three and four had gone
'bank' from two stray Irishmen.  Industry is long gone here, along
with much that made us something of a collective.  Have I told you
what a fine, pre-published fellow you are of late?

On 5 Oct, 17:37, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5 Oct, 16:24, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > archytas
>
> > I can't pretend to be more learned than Rodger Penrose, but I can't
> > see why conciousness can't be a very likely byproduct of evolution.
> > Obviously our species was well rewarded for devolping the trait.  It
> > seems that a favorite survival development for species is
> > specialization, which only gets you comfortable niche, until your
> > environment changes.
>
> > Conciousness seems to be the answer to this, it gives us a theater to
> > act appropriately in situations that have not happened to us as
> > individuals, or even as a species.  It's an amazing advange that gives
> > us more longevity than being hardwired to respond to a specific
> > evironment in a more effcient way.
>
>    Without it, we wouldn't 'know', much less, know how to act.  It's
> the only way to get 'thoughts/ideas' associated 'us' as individuals,
> which is why I find it analogous to the 'bus' of a CPU: that which
> fetches data between the data space (the mind of God as a pool of
> abstracts) and memory (this hard-core 4-D universe).
>
> > It sounds like you feel that conciousness is wasted on many
> > individuals, or more succinctly, most people waste their
> > conciousness.  I can't disagree with that.  The human species has a
> > very interesting balance between contributing as an individual, and
> > going along with the herd.  Ever since I read 'Germs, Guns, and
> > Steel', I can't stop thinking of the collective minds of the human
> > race as several different colonies of bacteria giong through their own
> > evolutionary process.
>
> *sings*... Every thought is sacred.  Every thought is Good....
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