On 6 Oct, 00:50, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> Surely I will meet you in the afterbook Pat - not because I am a
> saint, but because I am to crass to be embarrassed! I went out for a
> couple of pints last night to discover Bolton closed. This was my
> first venture for a couple of months and I'm afraid this sad town is
> in real trouble. The boozers don't really matter, but the heart of
> any opportunity for meeting in such a traditional way might. In pub
> one, one old mate now retired was waxing lyrical on the dismal owner
> being hated by 75% of potential custom and a bent clique running the
> social club and in number two I discovered three and four had gone
> 'bank' from two stray Irishmen. Industry is long gone here, along
> with much that made us something of a collective. Have I told you
> what a fine, pre-published fellow you are of late?
>
Pre-published? You lost me there, unless you're referring to all
my book-related thoughts being dispersed amongst the pages of this
group.
> On 5 Oct, 17:37, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 5 Oct, 16:24, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > archytas
>
> > > I can't pretend to be more learned than Rodger Penrose, but I can't
> > > see why conciousness can't be a very likely byproduct of evolution.
> > > Obviously our species was well rewarded for devolping the trait. It
> > > seems that a favorite survival development for species is
> > > specialization, which only gets you comfortable niche, until your
> > > environment changes.
>
> > > Conciousness seems to be the answer to this, it gives us a theater to
> > > act appropriately in situations that have not happened to us as
> > > individuals, or even as a species. It's an amazing advange that gives
> > > us more longevity than being hardwired to respond to a specific
> > > evironment in a more effcient way.
>
> > Without it, we wouldn't 'know', much less, know how to act. It's
> > the only way to get 'thoughts/ideas' associated 'us' as individuals,
> > which is why I find it analogous to the 'bus' of a CPU: that which
> > fetches data between the data space (the mind of God as a pool of
> > abstracts) and memory (this hard-core 4-D universe).
>
> > > It sounds like you feel that conciousness is wasted on many
> > > individuals, or more succinctly, most people waste their
> > > conciousness. I can't disagree with that. The human species has a
> > > very interesting balance between contributing as an individual, and
> > > going along with the herd. Ever since I read 'Germs, Guns, and
> > > Steel', I can't stop thinking of the collective minds of the human
> > > race as several different colonies of bacteria giong through their own
> > > evolutionary process.
>
> > *sings*... Every thought is sacred. Every thought is Good....- Hide quoted
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