Sorry Pat - I was crawling - thinking influencing you before
publication would improve my image in publication - no point in trying
post-publication.

On 6 Oct, 12:42, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6 Oct, 00:50, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Surely I will meet you in the afterbook Pat - not because I am a
> > saint, but because I am to crass to be embarrassed!  I went out for a
> > couple of pints last night to discover Bolton closed.  This was my
> > first venture for a couple of months and I'm afraid this sad town is
> > in real trouble.  The boozers don't really matter, but the heart of
> > any opportunity for meeting in such a traditional way might.  In pub
> > one, one old mate now retired was waxing lyrical on the dismal owner
> > being hated by 75% of potential custom and a bent clique running the
> > social club and in number two I discovered three and four had gone
> > 'bank' from two stray Irishmen.  Industry is long gone here, along
> > with much that made us something of a collective.  Have I told you
> > what a fine, pre-published fellow you are of late?
>
>    Pre-published?  You lost me there, unless you're referring to all
> my book-related thoughts being dispersed amongst the pages of this
> group.
>
>
>
> > On 5 Oct, 17:37, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On 5 Oct, 16:24, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > archytas
>
> > > > I can't pretend to be more learned than Rodger Penrose, but I can't
> > > > see why conciousness can't be a very likely byproduct of evolution.
> > > > Obviously our species was well rewarded for devolping the trait.  It
> > > > seems that a favorite survival development for species is
> > > > specialization, which only gets you comfortable niche, until your
> > > > environment changes.
>
> > > > Conciousness seems to be the answer to this, it gives us a theater to
> > > > act appropriately in situations that have not happened to us as
> > > > individuals, or even as a species.  It's an amazing advange that gives
> > > > us more longevity than being hardwired to respond to a specific
> > > > evironment in a more effcient way.
>
> > >    Without it, we wouldn't 'know', much less, know how to act.  It's
> > > the only way to get 'thoughts/ideas' associated 'us' as individuals,
> > > which is why I find it analogous to the 'bus' of a CPU: that which
> > > fetches data between the data space (the mind of God as a pool of
> > > abstracts) and memory (this hard-core 4-D universe).
>
> > > > It sounds like you feel that conciousness is wasted on many
> > > > individuals, or more succinctly, most people waste their
> > > > conciousness.  I can't disagree with that.  The human species has a
> > > > very interesting balance between contributing as an individual, and
> > > > going along with the herd.  Ever since I read 'Germs, Guns, and
> > > > Steel', I can't stop thinking of the collective minds of the human
> > > > race as several different colonies of bacteria giong through their own
> > > > evolutionary process.
>
> > > *sings*... Every thought is sacred.  Every thought is Good....- Hide 
> > > quoted text -
>
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