I've noticed details of the past that change as my state and stage of
consciousness changes.   I am not sure that we were meant to notice,
as our viewpoint constructs the experience with such wonderful design
detail, the possibility is a perfect fit, and so granular, the change
is usually imperceptible because our new state accommodates.  I do not
know why I was privileged to notice, something along the lines of the
privilege of clairvoyance - we don't ask why but are grateful for the
insight.  I can see how forgiveness would fit into this model, as
unconditional forgiveness, like unconditional love, is a big leap of
consciousness, and can be from dual to non dual.  This changes
everything, yet possibility is unlimited so on the whole, because all
is possible, changes nothing but our viewpoint and the experience
manifest as a result of it.

This link to Richard Feynman's "fun to imagine" may or may not be
relevant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrk3GbJU0k0

On Oct 26, 2:06 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 23 Oct, 17:57, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have often wondered what the new  testament of  the bible would be like if
> > you removed the parts that are in reality are made up short stories used to
> > sell a bill of goods. An example(s) being the nativity stories, the
> > resurrection (misunderstood,)   the writings of Saul Of Tarsus  the book of
> > revelations. to name a few
>
> > I wonder if a book (it would probably be very short) getting rid of the
> > exact interpretation but rather trying to expressed express the ideas that
> > Jesus the man best wanted to express.  I look at our group and the atheists
> > and agnostics have a very valuable role in working out that validity of what
> > is being said.  There is a definite need to counter balance my own beliefs
> > and those of other fanatics.
>
> > To tell the truth this would be a total dream for me. There is an event
> > astronomically that can be dated like a total solar eclipse over Jerusalem
> > in 33 CE. I do know that there are religious fanatics in the Philippines
> > that are crucified (literally) and they regularly survive it. I think these
> > things need to be taken into account, from what I understand it actually
> > takes several days to die that way.
>
> > Here I have to admit I am jealous of the sheer enlightenment of spiritual
> > knowledge Francis and other members of this group possess. I am hoping they
> > will take to this idea.
> > Allan
>
> > (
> >  )
> > I_D Allan
>
>    Luckily, the summary is still in the text:
>  1)  Love God with all your heart, mind and being
>             and
>   2) Love your neighbour AS yourself.
>
> 'AS', in that usage means 'no different than' rather than 'like'.
> This is the summation, too, of the Torah, as expounded by Hillel.  In
> fact, Hillel went so far as to state: 'all the rest is commentary'.
>
>      I'd like to hear, though, your 'explanation' of the resurrection,
> because I just (within the past few days) ran across a possibility (in
> the realms of "consciousness space" and mathematical functions applied
> across it via Set Theory) that could, in fact, alter the past.  Which,
> if true for one individual (Jesus, in this case), could undo that
> which is supposedly fixed in the past (i.e., his death and what led up
> TO it).  I need to develop it a bit more, but, if I had to encapsulate
> it for you into one word, that word would be 'forgiveness'.
> Forgiveness changes consciousness by disregarding thoughts...forever.
> And the Standard Model has always posited that forces should extend in
> all directions (equal and OPPOSITE reactions!!), so an attitude about
> X, which is removed from consciousness via forgiveness, could well be
> the physical/mathematical process that alters the past as much as it
> can the future.  I'll let you all think about THAT one for a
> while...  ;-)
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