The astronomy club was fun partly because there were a great deal of members of the scientific community doing stellar research working at the university,
there are some thing that can't be explained with what we (I) know so I am not ready to discount them as for the nativity scene and the resurrection,, well a lot of things are created retrospect making hindsight better than foresight proof being easily created to fit the story, as for the resurrection i see several scenarios but the one normally presented has the least validity in my mind. Allan On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Alan Wostenberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Astronomy club sure sounds fun! Have you read Arthur C Clarke's > corking good short story called The Star, about the Star of Bethlehem, > a future astronomer, and a discovery regarding an alien race? See > http://lucis.net/stuff/clarke/star_clarke.html > > Most people who think the resurrection and nativity are stories do so > from a prior commitment to naturalism -- that miracles don't happen, > therefore, we are constrained to interpret every miraculous report as > a story. Like myself, you seem to reject naturalism. Miracles can > happen. People can tell stories. Which is it in the case of the > nativity and resurrection? How to tell? > > > On Oct 25, 2:01 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > I used to belong to an astronomy club in Bozeman Montana.. and several o > the > > members ran the planetarium that is there so we would look at a lot of > > different ideas, and there was a solar eclipse happening at the time so > the > > idea came up to find out whre they had occured.. and i believe it was 33 > CE > > and there was one right over jersulem around the time of his > crucifiction. > > That was how they were able to date? it. > > > > The nativity scene great short story,, but there would have no real > reason > > to record it and .. just can not buy it.. > > > > Miricales I am not totally ready to dismiss to many native american > > medicine men and things I don't understand I have seen and feltr to much > > and I can not explain it.. then there is my ex and that I can partially > > medically document it was weird. > > > > As for the reserection thing when my father died I was with him.. very > > tamatic for me as I loved him much more than I realized.. What evolved is > > the idea what if our life here is a form of death of the soul or maybe a > > proving ground for morality.. and upon death one given accounting of > ones > > life and choices(God does not provide it) rather it is a record we create > of > > our own memories. If death is really the rebirth into a totally > spiritual > > existance which I think the soul is designed for what you have is the > true > > definition of a reserection.. the rebirth back into the spiritual life. > > Allan > > > > , Alan Wosterberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Allan -- I didn't know there was "an event astronomically that > > > can be dated like a total solar eclipse over Jerusalem in 33 CE.". > > > Cool! > > > > > You have "often wondered what the new testament of the bible would > > > be like if you removed the parts that are in reality are made up > > > short stories used to sell a bill of goods. ". It seems most others > > > here agree with your premise. > > > > > But I don't see how one could know "in realitiy" the resurrection and > > > nativity are stories, unless it is just deduction from an a-priori > > > principle such as "miracles don't happen", in which case every report > > > of a miracle must be interpreted as a story. Very well, but one who > > > does not accept this principle is not obliged to dismiss the miracles > > > as stories. > > > > > But assuming they are stories, this raises a second question. What's a > > > good way to sell a bill of goods? One can hardly sell a bill of goods > > > by sticking to facts. Perhaps, then, it is the end -- "a bill of > > > goods" that is the culprit, and not the means: making up stories. > > > > > In which case, what is the bill of goods being sold? I suppose some > > > misinformed atheists believe it is the promise of eternal life. "Just > > > do X", says the salesman, "and you will earn eternal life". Now if > > > that is the bill of goods being sold, the Catholic joins the atheist > > > in rejecting it! > > > > > On Oct 23, 10:57 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have often wondered what the new testament of the bible would be > like > > > if > > > > you removed the parts that are in reality are made up short stories > used > > > to > > > > sell a bill of goods. An example(s) being the nativity stories, the > > > > resurrection (misunderstood,) the writings of Saul Of Tarsus the > book > > > of > > > > revelations. to name a few > > > > > > I wonder if a book (it would probably be very short) getting rid of > the > > > > exact interpretation but rather trying to expressed express the ideas > > > that > > > > Jesus the man best wanted to express. I look at our group and the > > > atheists > > > > and agnostics have a very valuable role in working out that validity > of > > > what > > > > is being said. There is a definite need to counter balance my own > > > beliefs > > > > and those of other fanatics. > > > > > > To tell the truth this would be a total dream for me. There is an > event > > > > astronomically that can be dated like a total solar eclipse over > > > Jerusalem > > > > in 33 CE. I do know that there are religious fanatics in the > Philippines > > > > that are crucified (literally) and they regularly survive it. I think > > > these > > > > things need to be taken into account, from what I understand it > actually > > > > takes several days to die that way. > > > > > > Here I have to admit I am jealous of the sheer enlightenment of > spiritual > > > > knowledge Francis and other members of this group possess. I am > hoping > > > they > > > > will take to this idea. > > > > Allan > > > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
