Thank you I do not know what this person sees.. I checked earlier and the address was correct. Allan
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:52 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > > I cannot speak to their motivation Neil, however, daily now I deal > with the spam we get. In recent days, some get by Google’s filter > system and are posted. As soon as I see these, I check to see if they > have spoofed a member’s profile. If they have, I remove the post. If > they haven’t, I report the post as spam, delete it and ban the poster > from the group. In this case, I (nor any other of the moderators) > deleted the posts. ….guess I’ll do that now. > > On Oct 28, 8:33 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > What is it with these sad jerks? > > > > On 28 Oct, 11:56, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > nothing but an advertizement > > > with no reviews must amount to nothing and what you are doing is > spamming > > > Allan > > > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:50 PM, p.antonee <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > you should read (aging a lifelong trek to nirvana) > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:26 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > “…we are in need of a religion of this…[logic & scientific > > > > > knowledge?]” – Archy > > > > > > > Seems to me this already exists; however, there are many atheists > > > > > about it too. > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 7:53 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Logic, in as far as I admit to any, gets me only as far as that I > > > > > > cannot disprove god. History tells me humans have been inventing > > > > > > stuff that isn't true since before we have reliable record. God > and > > > > > > prophet stories have remarkable similarity. Eye witness evidence > is > > > > > > unreliable - most people are not good at it and most will go with > > > > > > whatever story someone else relates before them, and are very > > > > > > prejudiced. We are easily misled by sleight-of-hand. People lie > to > > > > > > others and themselves. We all do this. > > > > > > Scientific theories are under-determined by evidence and change - > > > > > > often the evidence for later theories is available when other, > less > > > > > > efficient and explanatory theories hold sway. Many theories > cannot be > > > > > > disproved and scepticism about any knowledge cannot be disproved. > > > > > > Generally, for knowledge we proceed by minimised epistemic risk - > not > > > > > > believing what we cannot prove and demonstrate. We seek to make > our > > > > > > scientific knowledge reliable against all other knowledge. We > can lay > > > > > > out where this leaves us. It's hard work and avoided by most. > Many > > > > > > are not capable of it and need much more than what passes as > education > > > > > > to achieve informed and reasonable decisions. I'd go as far as > to say > > > > > > we are in need of a religion of this. > > > > > > > > On 24 Oct, 02:52, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I always start by wondering what I would think if ordinary Joe > told > > > > me > > > > > > > the stories and also about the way I am easily conned by magic > before > > > > > > > (and often after) I see the way the trick is done. I'm also > inclined > > > > > > > to think copying and plagiarism is rife and was then. I notice > much > > > > > > > talk of heroes is elaborated, so why am I expected to think > > > > > > > differently of religious stuff. Lies, illusions and fantasies > can be > > > > > > > found daily - some modern Freudians even say they don't help > clients > > > > > > > find the truth even if this is what they are looking for, but > offer a > > > > > > > better organisation of their fections (I'll leave this in > memory of > > > > > > > Father Ted!). > > > > > > > Personally, I doubt Jesus is a historical figure - more likely > there > > > > > > > were many. I'd say the key issue is how we come to believe > what is > > > > > > > mostly snake oil (the satanic abuse scandals in the UK make > > > > > > > fascinating reading on how phoney experts from abroad can > influence > > > > > > > apparently sane cops and social workers) and how we are so > influenced > > > > > > > today. I have no problem with wandering cynics seeking to > change > > > > > > > society, and like many Greeks before me, have a sign saying > they are > > > > > > > welcome above my door. The question as to whether Jesus owned > his > > > > > > > clothes is a good one whether one needs to believe in him as > the son > > > > > > > of God or not. > > > > > > > > > On 23 Oct, 23:02, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi allan and others! > > > > > > > > Allan, your post could be very interesting for me and I am > going to > > > > > > > > follow it very closely, I know I am not very learned like > some of > > > > you; > > > > > > > > but I have got my own ideas or religious beliefs which need > to be > > > > > > > > tuned in before I can express them more openly. I am sure > that if > > > > one > > > > > > > > takes away parts of the stories which only embellish the > gospels it > > > > > > > > may have very different meanings; but you have to be very > careful > > > > > > > > about that if you believe in anything at all; you see you > have to > > > > defy > > > > > > > > your own religious beliefs and be strong enough to change the > > > > gospel. > > > > > > > > Please, read the very end of the Bible, where there is a sort > of > > > > curse > > > > > > > > if anyone changes anything. Are you willing to chance that? > > > > > > > > Send you all my regards > > > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 24, 4:57 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I have often wondered what the new testament of the bible > would > > > > be like if > > > > > > > > > you removed the parts that are in reality are made up short > > > > stories used to > > > > > > > > > sell a bill of goods. An example(s) being the nativity > stories, > > > > the > > > > > > > > > resurrection (misunderstood,) the writings of Saul Of > Tarsus > > > > the book of > > > > > > > > > revelations. to name a few > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if a book (it would probably be very short) > getting rid > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > exact interpretation but rather trying to expressed express > the > > > > ideas that > > > > > > > > > Jesus the man best wanted to express. I look at our group > and > > > > the atheists > > > > > > > > > and agnostics have a very valuable role in working out that > > > > validity of what > > > > > > > > > is being said. There is a definite need to counter balance > my > > > > own beliefs > > > > > > > > > and those of other fanatics. > > > > > > > > > > > To tell the truth this would be a total dream for me. There > is an > > > > event > > > > > > > > > astronomically that can be dated like a total solar eclipse > over > > > > Jerusalem > > > > > > > > > in 33 CE. I do know that there are religious fanatics in > the > > > > Philippines > > > > > > > > > that are crucified (literally) and they regularly survive > it. I > > > > think these > > > > > > > > > things need to be taken into account, from what I > understand it > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > takes several days to die that way. > > > > > > > > > > > Here I have to admit I am jealous of the sheer > enlightenment of > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > knowledge Francis and other members of this group possess. > I am > > > > hoping they > > > > > > > > > will take to this idea. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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