It's certainly a possibility Chris. I found him a gentle guy, unlike Harold Garfinkel who was a prat - your tale should have been told at an ethnomethodologist conference full of such hypocritical, almost entirely white dorks in Manchester a few years ago. The idea that capitalism is based on free trade is, of course, propaganda - some of you seem to want to believe the fairy tale. Even in the days of my youth (no doubt when I walked with dinosaurs), the right-wing Telegraph my father left at the breakfast table used to take the piss out of the industries of rebellion a bit like Chris. I assume he doesn't intentionally want to catch up with the 1960s! The column was called 'Way of the World' and pretended to be its own mini-universe. I'd have told Dad the Torygraph wasn't proper reading for a socialist family if it hadn't been so funny. Dr. Heinz Kiosk ran about shouting 'We are all guilty', people drove Boggsmobile Standards and dreamt of the time when the whole world was covered in tarmacadam. This doesn't stop me agreeing with Chris. In more than 20 years in academe I don't think I met anyone who wasn't just cashing in, apart from a few of us who tried to teach the suckers given into our care. I'd only disagree in the sense that it is too difficult to bring genuine change so pisswitter happens much like chatter in the trees behind the alpha's back (though he is intended to hear in this ape politics). One should point out, that generally in capitalism, the idea is to hoard until you can out-buy your opponents. One might add we don't have towel boys in the UK and ponder, Jenkin's-like, whether this is why Chris left - if you follow the drift of casting aspersions on motivations. He may still be right and would have been on Horkheimer in the generation before Chomsky. Anyone still stuck in partial US-school economics for dummies should read Michael Porter for a grasp of capitalism. He is eventually wrong, but at least won't leave you thinking its about free trade and move you on to competitive advantage. I can put you straight from there, but don't teach pre-school.
On 1 Dec, 15:00, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > This is what has always irked me about Noam. If the system is as horrible as > he decries, then his aggressive use of it is either: > > A. blatant hypocrisy which undermines his rantings on the topic. > B. a conscious decision to profit from a system he believes to be evil, thus > calling into question his personal morals and ethics. > C. a combination of the two. > > Chomsky strikes me as one of those guys you see all too often in the GOP: A > flaming right winger who rants on the evils of homosexuality, making every > move to block legislation guaranteeing equality for gays, and then secretly > getting sucked off by a towel boy at the country club. It's all bullshit. > > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > Heh quite something that huh. > > > Still I can't help but think that he is only taking advantage of the > > schemes open to one of his wealth in order to keep it, as the rest of > > his ilke do I guess. That it is incredibly hard to live a life bound > > by ones morality when all others in a similar situation to you take > > advantage of the system, and that if fair laws were intruduced and > > things like these tax havens simply did not exist so that a rich man > > paid his tax burden like the rest of us, then he would be more able to > > live live in an un-hypocritical way. > > > Although it is a good point well made, bloody hypocrit! Heh then > > again, point me out just one person who truely practices what they > > preach 100% of the time. > > > On 1 Dec, 13:17, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Noam certainly knows something about wealth and capitalism... > > > >http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/2912626.html > > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:39 AM, ornamentalmind <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > An interview with Noam that includes a deeper analysis of wealth, > > > > distribution and government than that found on corporate news: > > > > >http://anarchismtoday.org/News/article/sid=74.html > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > “I’m concerned that students not become passive acceptors of the > > > > official doctrine that’s handed down to them from the White House, the > > > > media, textbooks, teachers and preachers” – Howard Zinn > > > > > On Nov 30, 7:47 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Brilliant Don! I concur, ditto. > > > > > > On Nov 30, 3:48 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > More wealth redistribution ideologuery. If the man knew about > > feeding > > > > > > the needy he wouldn't spout such non-sense. Meals on Wheels has > > > > > > nothing to do with Social Security. Community service, by > > definition, > > > > > > is local and supported by local businesses and private donors. SS > > is > > > > > > nothing but an enormous Ponzi scheme that soon will fail unless > > > > > > massive amounts of money are pumped into it. It is consumed by > > fraud > > > > > > and waste. This is what happens to enormous federal entities. > > > > > > Proponents of single payer HC should sit up and take notice. > > > > > > > Community service isn't subversive it is being phased out by the > > > > > > federal government. Our earnings are increasingly being > > confiscated > > > > > > and we have less to help our local citizens out. The money is > > being > > > > > > used to fund politicians pet projects and as bribes to get new > > > > > > colossal spending bills passed. See the New Louisiana Purchase. > > Mr. > > > > > > Chomsky has it backwards and I think he probably knows it. > > > > > > > -Don > > > > > > > n Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:20 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Other than the obvious irony, how would you criticize this recent > > > > > > > quote by Noam? > > > > > > > > "Social Security is based on an extremely dangerous principle: > > that > > > > > > > you should care whether the disabled widow across town has food > > to > > > > > > > eat. The Social Security "reformers" would rather have you > > > > concentrate > > > > > > > on maximizing your own consumption of goods and subordinating > > > > yourself > > > > > > > to power. That's life. Caring for other people, and taking > > community > > > > > > > responsibility for things like health and retirement — that's > > just > > > > > > > deeply subversive." – Noam Chomsky > > > > > > > >http://www.zcommunications.org/zquotes/2600 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > Google > > > > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > > > .com> > > <minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > . > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > > > groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > > > .com> > > <minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > .com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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