“I don't really know much about the bloke, but I think I almost agree with you….” – Lee
Yes Lee, until a few years ago, all I knew about Noam was that he was ‘controversial’. I invite you to study his observations and then do an analysis. As to your apparently empathetical recognition of having few options in this society when it comes to things financial, I laud your fair and balanced approach. On Dec 1, 7:18 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't really know much about the bloke, but I think I almost agree > with you. > > The other side of course is what I have already mentioned. I think it > is almost soul destroying if you are the kind of person who sets out > to try your best to make the world a fairer and better place, then > 'the system' and sociaity makes it harder for you to practice what you > preach. To speak up against the mesures the more wealthy take to > aviod paying extra tax, and at the same time having these measures > there to take advantage of, well I can sorta understand that. > > I think that we humans are very sheep like. What is Sociaty if not a > group of people doing what we witness others doing? We can bring to > mind many, many experiments that show how easily lead we are, how > offten we sucumb to peer preasure, how easy it is for us to forgo our > individual moral compass in favour of one that a person in authority > tells us we should have. > > I guess what I'm saying is although I certianly feel that such actions > you have highlighted for us are indeed hypocritical, I can understand > how and why such hypocrasy occours, meh but then I'm a forgiving > bloke. > > On 1 Dec, 15:00, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This is what has always irked me about Noam. If the system is as horrible as > > he decries, then his aggressive use of it is either: > > > A. blatant hypocrisy which undermines his rantings on the topic. > > B. a conscious decision to profit from a system he believes to be evil, thus > > calling into question his personal morals and ethics. > > C. a combination of the two. > > > Chomsky strikes me as one of those guys you see all too often in the GOP: A > > flaming right winger who rants on the evils of homosexuality, making every > > move to block legislation guaranteeing equality for gays, and then secretly > > getting sucked off by a towel boy at the country club. It's all bullshit. > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Heh quite something that huh. > > > > Still I can't help but think that he is only taking advantage of the > > > schemes open to one of his wealth in order to keep it, as the rest of > > > his ilke do I guess. That it is incredibly hard to live a life bound > > > by ones morality when all others in a similar situation to you take > > > advantage of the system, and that if fair laws were intruduced and > > > things like these tax havens simply did not exist so that a rich man > > > paid his tax burden like the rest of us, then he would be more able to > > > live live in an un-hypocritical way. > > > > Although it is a good point well made, bloody hypocrit! Heh then > > > again, point me out just one person who truely practices what they > > > preach 100% of the time. > > > > On 1 Dec, 13:17, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Noam certainly knows something about wealth and capitalism... > > > > >http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/2912626.html > > > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:39 AM, ornamentalmind <[email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > An interview with Noam that includes a deeper analysis of wealth, > > > > > distribution and government than that found on corporate news: > > > > > >http://anarchismtoday.org/News/article/sid=74.html > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > “I’m concerned that students not become passive acceptors of the > > > > > official doctrine that’s handed down to them from the White House, the > > > > > media, textbooks, teachers and preachers” – Howard Zinn > > > > > > On Nov 30, 7:47 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Brilliant Don! I concur, ditto. > > > > > > > On Nov 30, 3:48 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > More wealth redistribution ideologuery. If the man knew about > > > feeding > > > > > > > the needy he wouldn't spout such non-sense. Meals on Wheels has > > > > > > > nothing to do with Social Security. Community service, by > > > definition, > > > > > > > is local and supported by local businesses and private donors. SS > > > is > > > > > > > nothing but an enormous Ponzi scheme that soon will fail unless > > > > > > > massive amounts of money are pumped into it. It is consumed by > > > fraud > > > > > > > and waste. This is what happens to enormous federal entities. > > > > > > > Proponents of single payer HC should sit up and take notice. > > > > > > > > Community service isn't subversive it is being phased out by the > > > > > > > federal government. Our earnings are increasingly being > > > confiscated > > > > > > > and we have less to help our local citizens out. The money is > > > being > > > > > > > used to fund politicians pet projects and as bribes to get new > > > > > > > colossal spending bills passed. See the New Louisiana Purchase. > > > Mr. > > > > > > > Chomsky has it backwards and I think he probably knows it. > > > > > > > > -Don > > > > > > > > n Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:20 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Other than the obvious irony, how would you criticize this > > > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > quote by Noam? > > > > > > > > > "Social Security is based on an extremely dangerous principle: > > > that > > > > > > > > you should care whether the disabled widow across town has food > > > to > > > > > > > > eat. The Social Security "reformers" would rather have you > > > > > concentrate > > > > > > > > on maximizing your own consumption of goods and subordinating > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > to power. That's life. Caring for other people, and taking > > > community > > > > > > > > responsibility for things like health and retirement — that's > > > just > > > > > > > > deeply subversive." – Noam Chomsky > > > > > > > > >http://www.zcommunications.org/zquotes/2600 > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > Google > > > > > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > <minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > . > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > > > > groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups > > > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > <minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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