Really, Orn? Care to give an example where I didn't address the specifics of my argument? I make a point to note the salient points of my positions. The devil is in the details.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > As to the “Nuh-uh” school, we could bash each other forever Chris. > > I anxiously await your argument in favor of hypocrisy surgery. > > > On Dec 1, 10:03 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh, Orn, your telepathic powers are remarkable! Or is this actually a pot > > calling a kettle black? I do believe it is. You presume to do that which > you > > accuse me of. Classic. > > > > Of course, here one finds some of the worst type of bifurcation > > > > > exemplifying the hypocrisy of one who lauds the wonders of not using > > > fallacies. > > > > Your statement does not make it so. I am not hypocritical in my approach, > > and your response is an example of the bifurcation you accuse me of. > > > > > > > > > Further, such argument by dismissal does not address that which > > > Chomsky points out and appears to be more of a veiled argument to the > > > man and/or selective observation. Such non sequitur criticism is easy > > > to expose for what it is. > > > > The facts remain the facts. I have not approached from an ad hominem > > perspective, but rather from a practice what you preach perspective. It > > seems to me from a logical standpoint that if his opinions regarding this > > system were as strong as they purport to be, he would not be engaging so > > actively within this system, including somewhat ethically questionable > uses > > of the system. > > > > > > > > > On the personal side, I can only guess that seeing one’s emperor > > > without cloths can drive one to madness. > > > > More projection! I have no emperor. I have only played Devil's Advocate, > and > > have not made a positive stand towards any viewpoint. In fact, I've > espoused > > some M.O.R. ideologies which are in direct conflict to those you falsely > > baselessly assume to be my emperor. Is your use of that which you accuse > me > > of ironic? Because if it's sincere, it's truly sad. > > > > > > > > > “…Chomsky strikes me as one of those guys you see all too often in the > > > GOP: A > > > flaming right winger who rants on the evils of homosexuality, making > > > every > > > move to block legislation guaranteeing equality for gays, and then > > > secretly > > > getting sucked off by a towel boy at the country club. It's all > > > bullshit.” – Chris > > > > > Numerous problems with the analogy Christ as I’m sure you know. > > > However, your “It’s all bullshit.”, comment is what is most telling to > > > me. I can only guess that your primary argument is based on a dislike > > > of apparent hypocrisy. Correct? > > > > No problems whatsoever with my analogy, and another example of your > > "argument by dismissal", which unlike mine, didn't actually include any > > salient points. You seem to be satisfied with a "Nuh-uh, that's not the > way > > it is!" Poor form, old chap. If you think there are problems with my > > analogy, why don't you spell them out? > > > > You should be clearly able to understand that my argument is SPECIFICALLY > > against hypocrisy, as I've said that numerous times. > > > > > An argument by you and perhaps even Neil for removing hypocrisy from > > > the human race and/or even selective people would be of great > > > interest. > > > > I'm all for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 1, 7:00 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This is what has always irked me about Noam. If the system is as > horrible > > > as > > > > he decries, then his aggressive use of it is either: > > > > > > A. blatant hypocrisy which undermines his rantings on the topic. > > > > B. a conscious decision to profit from a system he believes to be > evil, > > > thus > > > > calling into question his personal morals and ethics. > > > > C. a combination of the two. > > > > > > Chomsky strikes me as one of those guys you see all too often in the > GOP: > > > A > > > > flaming right winger who rants on the evils of homosexuality, making > > > every > > > > move to block legislation guaranteeing equality for gays, and then > > > secretly > > > > getting sucked off by a towel boy at the country club. It's all > bullshit. > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Heh quite something that huh. > > > > > > > Still I can't help but think that he is only taking advantage of > the > > > > > schemes open to one of his wealth in order to keep it, as the rest > of > > > > > his ilke do I guess. That it is incredibly hard to live a life > bound > > > > > by ones morality when all others in a similar situation to you take > > > > > advantage of the system, and that if fair laws were intruduced and > > > > > things like these tax havens simply did not exist so that a rich > man > > > > > paid his tax burden like the rest of us, then he would be more able > to > > > > > live live in an un-hypocritical way. > > > > > > > Although it is a good point well made, bloody hypocrit! Heh then > > > > > again, point me out just one person who truely practices what they > > > > > preach 100% of the time. > > > > > > > On 1 Dec, 13:17, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Noam certainly knows something about wealth and capitalism... > > > > > > > >http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/2912626.html > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:39 AM, ornamentalmind < > > > [email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > An interview with Noam that includes a deeper analysis of > wealth, > > > > > > > distribution and government than that found on corporate news: > > > > > > > > >http://anarchismtoday.org/News/article/sid=74.html > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > “I’m concerned that students not become passive acceptors of > the > > > > > > > official doctrine that’s handed down to them from the White > House, > > > the > > > > > > > media, textbooks, teachers and preachers” – Howard Zinn > > > > > > > > > On Nov 30, 7:47 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Brilliant Don! I concur, ditto. > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 30, 3:48 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > More wealth redistribution ideologuery. If the man knew > about > > > > > feeding > > > > > > > > > the needy he wouldn't spout such non-sense. Meals on > Wheels > > > has > > > > > > > > > nothing to do with Social Security. Community service, by > > > > > definition, > > > > > > > > > is local and supported by local businesses and private > donors. > > > SS > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > nothing but an enormous Ponzi scheme that soon will fail > unless > > > > > > > > > massive amounts of money are pumped into it. It is > consumed by > > > > > fraud > > > > > > > > > and waste. This is what happens to enormous federal > entities. > > > > > > > > > Proponents of single payer HC should sit up and take > notice. > > > > > > > > > > > Community service isn't subversive it is being phased out > by > > > the > > > > > > > > > federal government. Our earnings are increasingly being > > > > > confiscated > > > > > > > > > and we have less to help our local citizens out. The money > is > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > used to fund politicians pet projects and as bribes to get > new > > > > > > > > > colossal spending bills passed. See the New Louisiana > > > Purchase. > > > > > Mr. > > > > > > > > > Chomsky has it backwards and I think he probably knows it. > > > > > > > > > > > -Don > > > > > > > > > > > n Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:20 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Other than the obvious irony, how would you criticize > this > > > recent > > > > > > > > > > quote by Noam? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social Security is based on an extremely dangerous > > > principle: > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > you should care whether the disabled widow across town > has > > > food > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > eat. The Social Security "reformers" would rather have > you > > > > > > > concentrate > > > > > > > > > > on maximizing your own consumption of goods and > subordinating > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > to power. That's life. 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