I'm still spot on in declaring that guilt is only a possibility for those involved as there has yet to be any smoking gun incriminating evidence. You Mr. Frank had brought your wife in here Not me! Further you actually give credibility to the "Media" as a reliable form of judgment when the fact is they are hardly anything more than a gossip tabloid and that makes you look foolish. The only "real" way to follow this case is to be physically in the courtroom during the trial. I think Archy is spot on in placing a higher degree of suspicion on Rudy Guede, who as I said before had sex with Kercher before the murder, admitted that Knox was Not there at the time of the murder, conveniently claimed to be listening to his ipod and unable to hear anything, has a criminal history and fled the country after the murder. His psuedo adopted father described him as a "tremendous liar" who skipped school and was reluctant to do any work. Meanwhile it is also possible that Knox and Sollecito were out at the time and came home to the murder later. Even if Knox and Kercher were arguing about Amanda's cleanliness and promiscuity I don't see that as being a reason for Knox to kill Kercher. It is still possible that all three are guilty in a collusive murder based upon a sordid relationship gone wrong. I have no patriotism in this case nor any special affection for Americans abroad as you so hastily conclude and of which I've provided no indication of. I've made clear statements that are not biased towards anyone's innocence but clearly addressed the case without drawing conclusions. The fact that Kercher was murdered and that someone must pay for the crime does not mean Knox is guilty of the murder. The evidence is weak and I think because the case has drawn so much attention to the Italian judicial system, the Italians have also conveniently found everyone guilty, which now gives them another year to sort things out further. Hopefully the appeals process will be more efficient. There are scores of people who have been on death row for 20/30 years and have been found "not guilty" thanks to DNA evidence. I imagine they were found guilty by your "media style" judicial system.
On Dec 6, 9:29 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi SD! > Your patriotism is blinding you Slip! And leave my wife out of this > ok! Usually you are spot on, but not this time, because somebody must > pay for that horrible crime, and if it is one from your country it > makes no difference. > Manfraco > > On Dec 7, 1:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from the Italian > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; this makes > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended family whether > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other people. <<MFE > > > That is totally and utterly ridiculous! > > The media calls someone a devil and so there must be more going on > > that we don't know about? sic! > > You actually buy into the media hype and sheer bullshit? > > If anyone is guilty it is your wife, who is guilty of judgment. There > > are too many variables and inconsistencies to pass judgment on this > > case. We can only present possibilities. If the Italian court system > > had it right there wouldn't be any international disagreement with > > their judicial system. I'm extremely hopeful that I will never be on > > trial but if ever I am I will be equally hopeful that there aren't any > > people on the jury like your wife who thinks she can pass judgment > > based on following a case through media reporting. That's pathetic! > > > On Dec 6, 5:16 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Hi everybody! > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from the Italian > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; this makes > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended family whether > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other people. > > > My wife has followed this murder case, and in her own simple ways > > > believes that Amanda Knox may very well be guilty. > > > I am pretty sure that the Italian court is right they took a very long > > > time to get it right, therefore if in the future nobody of the three > > > people involved co fesses of the murder, things are just the way the > > > court has said. > > > Just because she is an American girl doesn't mean she is innocent. > > > Just forget the American bit the law is the same for everybody. > > > My regards to you all > > > Manfraco > > > > On Dec 7, 9:26 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > There are several problems, one being the level of understanding in > > > > jury pools, ie; the IQ factor. There is much more emphasis put on > > > > "convincing" than actually proving guilt or innocence. Not to mention > > > > the elevation of prosecutors to district attorneys to mayor, governor, > > > > senate seat, congress and possible presidential seat. Its scary to us > > > > but people that crave these positions don't really care how they get > > > > there. Further more it is completely obvious that the vindication of > > > > hundreds of convicts and death row inmates reveals the ugly truth > > > > about the "justice?" system and all it's flaws. > > > > > On Dec 6, 12:11 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > There are too many frightening miscarriages in our legal systems. > > > > > Easy enough to make thing thing 'Italian' - yet here we have had > > > > > plenty and even in Texas people are worrying about the death sentence > > > > > because of so much uncertainty about convicting the right people. > > > > > > On 6 Dec, 16:44, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm always suspect of criminal types changing stories and plea > > > > > > bargain > > > > > > deals with overzealous prosecutors. > > > > > > It might be likely that Rudy killed her because she didn't want, or > > > > > > no > > > > > > longer wanted to have any relation with him. It won't be the first > > > > > > deal made by someone trying to get a lessor sentence. 25 years is a > > > > > > lot better than Life in prison for a 20 year old. At 45 he'll still > > > > > > be able to have a life. > > > > > > > Guede came to Perugia at the age of five with his father,[57] Pacome > > > > > > Roger Guede.[58] His father left Italy when Guede was 16, and he was > > > > > > informally adopted by the family of a wealthy local businessman, > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > Caporali.[57] Caporali stated that he had been disappointed by > > > > > > Guede's > > > > > > behaviour, describing him as a "tremendous liar", skipping school > > > > > > and > > > > > > being reluctant to do any work. > > > > > > > DNA tests indicate that Guede had sex with Kercher before her murder > > > > > > [59] and that faeces found in the toilet were his.[60] > > > > > > > Knox has confirmed meeting Guede a few times. Guede has been > > > > > > described > > > > > > as a drug dealer and a thief. > > > > > > > So here we have a guy who had sex with the victim just before the > > > > > > murder and who then "Conveniently" claims to have been listening to > > > > > > his ipod when Knox and Sollecito came home. > > > > > > > It might be that Rudy raped Kercher, she threatened to call the > > > > > > police, he choked her and then slit her throat followed by a > > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > "lie" that would unfortunately ensnare two innocent people. He then > > > > > > fled the country. > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 11:31 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The evidence as reported by The Telegraph is very thin and Rudy > > > > > > > actually told someone she wasn't there at the time of the murder, > > > > > > > before changing his story. > > > > > > > > On 6 Dec, 03:49, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > With their wise and terribly straight leader I can understand > > > > > > > > why the press are so biased. It's a good thing there was no > > > > > > > > double standard. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 9:53 pm > > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Amanda Knox > > > > > > > > > To shed some light....... > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher > > > > > > > > > Now you see the Black Rudy had fled to Germany after the murder > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > was extradited to Italy, but why did he flee? > > > > > > > > The conflicting stories create such a confusion that the only > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > thing to do is lock them all up. No? > > > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 9:19 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The case seemed forever in the news, yet I know nothing of > > > > > > > > > the actual > > > > > > > > > case. I am not familiar with cartwheeling as a means of lie > > > > > > > > > detection > > > > > > > > > - clearly advanced forensics. Has my veracity increased now > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > incapable of them, perhaps, other than as some would say, in > > > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > > itself? > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Dec, 11:26, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what to think of it but one thing is for sure, > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > was murdered and she didn't slice her own throat. The > > > > > > > > > > Ivory coast > > > > > > > > > > black guy has a criminal history and admits being there > > > > > > > > > > while the > > > > > > > > > > other two claim to have been somewhere else watching a > > > > > > > > > > movie before > > > > > > > > > > returning to the apartment. The DNA on the knife was > > > > > > > > > > supposedly too > > > > > > > > > > scant to be reliable, however, I'd like to know why it was > > > > > > > > > > washed with > > > > > > > > > > bleach, but then I wonder why anyone would kill someone and > > > > > > > > > > then take > > > > > > > > > > the knife home instead of tossing it out somewhere, then > > > > > > > > > > again maybe > > > > > > > > > > she used it to cut up a tomato. It's a very complex case > > > > > > > > > > with many > > > > > > > > > > loose ends and speculation. The Italian judicial system > > > > > > > > > > surely needs > > > > > > > > > > overhaul with special attention to due process. Something > > > > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > > terribly wrong at some point and hopefully one or all three > > > > > > > > > > sooner or > > > > > > > > > > later will confess to the actual truth. They each have a > > > > > > > > > > long time to > > > > > > > > > > think it over. > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 4:09 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone any idea at all whether this American girl is > > > > > > > > > > > guilty of > > > > > > > > > > > murder or not? She is guilty of trying to pin it on the > > > > > > > > > > > nearest black > > > > > > > > > > > guy and, apparently of doing cartwheels in a police > > > > > > > > > > > station. Our > > > > > > > > > > > media has told us she is good looking (passable average > > > > > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > > > footage), there was some of her DNA on a kitchen knife > > > > > > > > > > > and that's it > > > > > > > > > > > apart from a pile of hints at 'sex scandal'. 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