But you really cannot verify if "all those people" did or did not morph into cockroaches. Maybe they did but you just don't know it and therefore the concept of Karma is still open ended.
On Dec 9, 2:24 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the concept of karma is > not valid. Otherwise all those people would already have > metamorphosised into cockroaches. Or perhaps they have, on the > inside ... strangely not Gabby but from a Guardian blog. > > On 9 Dec, 07:44, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I thought the movie was "Hang em High", Clint Eastwood. The reference > > is good as a way of demonstrating the awkwardness of judgment by peers > > but worse in the sense of vigilante justice. Maybe if Clint didn't > > have a "pretty face" eh? Protecting the process is good but can only > > go as far as the final few who will passed judgment. What good is > > protecting the process if jury pools are drawing warped conclusions > > based on media and public gossip. I guess its come down to getting > > replaced on your job as being a good motive for slicing someones > > throat. In that sense I find it strange that within this lagging > > economy and unemployment over 10%, people aren't out on a killing > > spree. > > > On Dec 7, 6:51 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The same from me I'm afraid. I think we have generally lost the lot > > > in our justice systems. The key problems i that we allow no proper, > > > real time and pubic evaluation of what goes on. This used to be to > > > protect the process (at least in part) from 'hand 'em high' > > > vigilantism, but know seems simply to protect idiocy in the system > > > from a public scrutiny that could help iron out much of the > > > unfairness. > > > > Orn hits two nails on the head with reference to OJ - the farce of the > > > glove and the issue of expecting someone to be responsible for a > > > crime. We are so naff generally that we even make victims responsible > > > for what is done to them in order to keep hold of our unevaluated > > > notions that the world is a good place. Double standards abound. The > > > fact that a woman is a prostitute is supposedly irrelevant in the > > > offence, yet we are somehow still supposed to take into account of > > > 'promiscuity' in murder. Barf to Barmy I'm afraid Slip. It all makes > > > as much sense as paying bwankers big bonuses (now they really should > > > be paid off with that herbal stuff that swells us to 9 inches). > > > > As a detective, I used to put a lot of emphasis in investigation to > > > catching people in lies, until I realised no one was any good at this > > > and that some people just can't help telling them, especially around > > > cops. Plus I caught myself thinking everyone was lying all the time, > > > I sure sign you've lost the plot. Evidence was thin on the ground > > > back then - forensics were usually non-existent. I had people > > > coughing to crimes they could not have committed and so found this was > > > widespread - typically you'd phone another force to say you had > > > someone admitting to a range of offences there, only to find they had > > > already either found the real culprit or fitted someone up (this is > > > not as bad as it sounds - the vagaries of TIC need to be understood, > > > in which crims can admit to stuff without it adding to their > > > sentences). > > > > Weirdly, the higher the offence, the more l;ikely bullshit evidence is > > > to be admitted to court. > > > > On 7 Dec, 23:55, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *Barf* > > > > > On Dec 7, 3:31 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi you all! > > > > > Let us look at this murder from different points of view that we have > > > > > not discussed here yet. > > > > > (1) Amanda Knox is a pretty face that likes to use her beauty to her > > > > > advantage and in a way wants to rule over man-folks that look at her > > > > > in a love trance way; this is what I believe she is like. > > > > > (2) Did you know that Amanda Knox was going to be replaced in the > > > > > night club strip tease? > > > > > The night club strip tease replacement was very likely Kercher, could > > > > > this not be enough to set Amanda for revenge? > > > > > There are many other things that makes me think that Amanda is > > > > > involved in this murder. > > > > > Rudy Guede did not say that Amand was not there, he said that there > > > > > was a man and a woman there also. > > > > > Now you can make out whatever you think abut this. > > > > > I think I have said enough, so I better stop. > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > On Dec 8, 5:52 am, dj Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I did not say not guilty or guilty..the deed was done...does not > > > > > > the law > > > > > > require Jury and facts and when ,where,why..and far as poetry..I > > > > > > see you > > > > > > have been reading poetry...what do you think ...Maybe there is more > > > > > > than > > > > > > one...involved,and the media state facts blown up...you can sift > > > > > > through > > > > > > some of it.. > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm still spot on in declaring that guilt is only a possibility > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > those involved as there has yet to be any smoking gun > > > > > > > incriminating > > > > > > > evidence. You Mr. Frank had brought your wife in here Not me! > > > > > > > Further you actually give credibility to the "Media" as a reliable > > > > > > > form of judgment when the fact is they are hardly anything more > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > gossip tabloid and that makes you look foolish. The only "real" > > > > > > > way to > > > > > > > follow this case is to be physically in the courtroom during the > > > > > > > trial. > > > > > > > I think Archy is spot on in placing a higher degree of suspicion > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > Rudy Guede, who as I said before had sex with Kercher before the > > > > > > > murder, admitted that Knox was Not there at the time of the > > > > > > > murder, > > > > > > > conveniently claimed to be listening to his ipod and unable to > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > anything, has a criminal history and fled the country after the > > > > > > > murder. His psuedo adopted father described him as a "tremendous > > > > > > > liar" > > > > > > > who skipped school and was reluctant to do any work. > > > > > > > Meanwhile it is also possible that Knox and Sollecito were out at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > time and came home to the murder later. Even if Knox and Kercher > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > arguing about Amanda's cleanliness and promiscuity I don't see > > > > > > > that as > > > > > > > being a reason for Knox to kill Kercher. > > > > > > > It is still possible that all three are guilty in a collusive > > > > > > > murder > > > > > > > based upon a sordid relationship gone wrong. I have no > > > > > > > patriotism in > > > > > > > this case nor any special affection for Americans abroad as you so > > > > > > > hastily conclude and of which I've provided no indication of. > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > made clear statements that are not biased towards anyone's > > > > > > > innocence > > > > > > > but clearly addressed the case without drawing conclusions. > > > > > > > The fact that Kercher was murdered and that someone must pay for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > crime does not mean Knox is guilty of the murder. The evidence is > > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > and I think because the case has drawn so much attention to the > > > > > > > Italian judicial system, the Italians have also conveniently found > > > > > > > everyone guilty, which now gives them another year to sort things > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > further. Hopefully the appeals process will be more efficient. > > > > > > > There are scores of people who have been on death row for 20/30 > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > and have been found "not guilty" thanks to DNA evidence. I > > > > > > > imagine > > > > > > > they were found guilty by your "media style" judicial system. > > > > > > > > On Dec 6, 9:29 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi SD! > > > > > > > > Your patriotism is blinding you Slip! And leave my wife out of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > ok! Usually you are spot on, but not this time, because > > > > > > > > somebody must > > > > > > > > pay for that horrible crime, and if it is one from your country > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > makes no difference. > > > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > > > On Dec 7, 1:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from > > > > > > > > > > the Italian > > > > > > > > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; > > > > > > > > > > this makes > > > > > > > > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended > > > > > > > > > > family whether > > > > > > > > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > <<MFE > > > > > > > > > > That is totally and utterly ridiculous! > > > > > > > > > The media calls someone a devil and so there must be more > > > > > > > > > going on > > > > > > > > > that we don't know about? sic! > > > > > > > > > You actually buy into the media hype and sheer bullshit? > > > > > > > > > If anyone is guilty it is your wife, who is guilty of > > > > > > > > > judgment. There > > > > > > > > > are too many variables and inconsistencies to pass judgment > > > > > > > > > on this > > > > > > > > > case. We can only present possibilities. If the Italian court > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > had it right there wouldn't be any international disagreement > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > their judicial system. I'm extremely hopeful that I will > > > > > > > > > never be on > > > > > > > > > trial but if ever I am I will be equally hopeful that there > > > > > > > > > aren't any > > > > > > > > > people on the jury like your wife who thinks she can pass > > > > > > > > > judgment > > > > > > > > > based on following a case through media reporting. That's > > > > > > > > > pathetic! > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 6, 5:16 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody! > > > > > > > > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from > > > > > > > > > > the Italian > > > > > > > > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; > > > > > > > > > > this makes > > > > > > > > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended > > > > > > > > > > family whether > > > > > > > > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > My wife has followed this murder case, and in her own > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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