Hi SD! I see how you feel, I know there are things hard to digest and sting when you are near them, so it would be better if we leave them alone. Goodbye Manfraco
On Dec 8, 10:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > *Barf* > > On Dec 7, 3:31 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi you all! > > Let us look at this murder from different points of view that we have > > not discussed here yet. > > (1) Amanda Knox is a pretty face that likes to use her beauty to her > > advantage and in a way wants to rule over man-folks that look at her > > in a love trance way; this is what I believe she is like. > > (2) Did you know that Amanda Knox was going to be replaced in the > > night club strip tease? > > The night club strip tease replacement was very likely Kercher, could > > this not be enough to set Amanda for revenge? > > There are many other things that makes me think that Amanda is > > involved in this murder. > > Rudy Guede did not say that Amand was not there, he said that there > > was a man and a woman there also. > > Now you can make out whatever you think abut this. > > I think I have said enough, so I better stop. > > Manfraco > > > On Dec 8, 5:52 am, dj Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I did not say not guilty or guilty..the deed was done...does not the law > > > require Jury and facts and when ,where,why..and far as poetry..I see you > > > have been reading poetry...what do you think ...Maybe there is more than > > > one...involved,and the media state facts blown up...you can sift through > > > some of it.. > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm still spot on in declaring that guilt is only a possibility for > > > > those involved as there has yet to be any smoking gun incriminating > > > > evidence. You Mr. Frank had brought your wife in here Not me! > > > > Further you actually give credibility to the "Media" as a reliable > > > > form of judgment when the fact is they are hardly anything more than a > > > > gossip tabloid and that makes you look foolish. The only "real" way to > > > > follow this case is to be physically in the courtroom during the > > > > trial. > > > > I think Archy is spot on in placing a higher degree of suspicion on > > > > Rudy Guede, who as I said before had sex with Kercher before the > > > > murder, admitted that Knox was Not there at the time of the murder, > > > > conveniently claimed to be listening to his ipod and unable to hear > > > > anything, has a criminal history and fled the country after the > > > > murder. His psuedo adopted father described him as a "tremendous liar" > > > > who skipped school and was reluctant to do any work. > > > > Meanwhile it is also possible that Knox and Sollecito were out at the > > > > time and came home to the murder later. Even if Knox and Kercher were > > > > arguing about Amanda's cleanliness and promiscuity I don't see that as > > > > being a reason for Knox to kill Kercher. > > > > It is still possible that all three are guilty in a collusive murder > > > > based upon a sordid relationship gone wrong. I have no patriotism in > > > > this case nor any special affection for Americans abroad as you so > > > > hastily conclude and of which I've provided no indication of. I've > > > > made clear statements that are not biased towards anyone's innocence > > > > but clearly addressed the case without drawing conclusions. > > > > The fact that Kercher was murdered and that someone must pay for the > > > > crime does not mean Knox is guilty of the murder. The evidence is weak > > > > and I think because the case has drawn so much attention to the > > > > Italian judicial system, the Italians have also conveniently found > > > > everyone guilty, which now gives them another year to sort things out > > > > further. Hopefully the appeals process will be more efficient. > > > > There are scores of people who have been on death row for 20/30 years > > > > and have been found "not guilty" thanks to DNA evidence. I imagine > > > > they were found guilty by your "media style" judicial system. > > > > > On Dec 6, 9:29 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi SD! > > > > > Your patriotism is blinding you Slip! And leave my wife out of this > > > > > ok! Usually you are spot on, but not this time, because somebody must > > > > > pay for that horrible crime, and if it is one from your country it > > > > > makes no difference. > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > On Dec 7, 1:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from the > > > > > > > Italian > > > > > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; this > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended family > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other people. > > > > <<MFE > > > > > > > That is totally and utterly ridiculous! > > > > > > The media calls someone a devil and so there must be more going on > > > > > > that we don't know about? sic! > > > > > > You actually buy into the media hype and sheer bullshit? > > > > > > If anyone is guilty it is your wife, who is guilty of judgment. > > > > > > There > > > > > > are too many variables and inconsistencies to pass judgment on this > > > > > > case. We can only present possibilities. If the Italian court system > > > > > > had it right there wouldn't be any international disagreement with > > > > > > their judicial system. I'm extremely hopeful that I will never be > > > > > > on > > > > > > trial but if ever I am I will be equally hopeful that there aren't > > > > > > any > > > > > > people on the jury like your wife who thinks she can pass judgment > > > > > > based on following a case through media reporting. That's pathetic! > > > > > > > On Dec 6, 5:16 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi everybody! > > > > > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from the > > > > > > > Italian > > > > > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; this > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended family > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other people. > > > > > > > My wife has followed this murder case, and in her own simple ways > > > > > > > believes that Amanda Knox may very well be guilty. > > > > > > > I am pretty sure that the Italian court is right they took a very > > > > long > > > > > > > time to get it right, therefore if in the future nobody of the > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > people involved co fesses of the murder, things are just the way > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > court has said. > > > > > > > Just because she is an American girl doesn't mean she is innocent. > > > > > > > Just forget the American bit the law is the same for everybody. > > > > > > > My regards to you all > > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > > On Dec 7, 9:26 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are several problems, one being the level of > > > > > > > > understanding in > > > > > > > > jury pools, ie; the IQ factor. There is much more emphasis put > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > "convincing" than actually proving guilt or innocence. Not to > > > > mention > > > > > > > > the elevation of prosecutors to district attorneys to mayor, > > > > governor, > > > > > > > > senate seat, congress and possible presidential seat. Its > > > > > > > > scary to > > > > us > > > > > > > > but people that crave these positions don't really care how they > > > > get > > > > > > > > there. Further more it is completely obvious that the > > > > > > > > vindication > > > > of > > > > > > > > hundreds of convicts and death row inmates reveals the ugly > > > > > > > > truth > > > > > > > > about the "justice?" system and all it's flaws. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 6, 12:11 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There are too many frightening miscarriages in our legal > > > > > > > > > systems. > > > > > > > > > Easy enough to make thing thing 'Italian' - yet here we have > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > plenty and even in Texas people are worrying about the death > > > > sentence > > > > > > > > > because of so much uncertainty about convicting the right > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > On 6 Dec, 16:44, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm always suspect of criminal types changing stories and > > > > > > > > > > plea > > > > bargain > > > > > > > > > > deals with overzealous prosecutors. > > > > > > > > > > It might be likely that Rudy killed her because she didn't > > > > want, or no > > > > > > > > > > longer wanted to have any relation with him. It won't be > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > deal made by someone trying to get a lessor sentence. 25 > > > > > > > > > > years > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > lot better than Life in prison for a 20 year old. At 45 > > > > > > > > > > he'll > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > be able to have a life. > > > > > > > > > > > Guede came to Perugia at the age of five with his > > > > > > > > > > father,[57] > > > > Pacome > > > > > > > > > > Roger Guede.[58] His father left Italy when Guede was 16, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > he was > > > > > > > > > > informally adopted by the family of a wealthy local > > > > businessman, Paolo > > > > > > > > > > Caporali.[57] Caporali stated that he had been disappointed > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > Guede's > > > > > > > > > > behaviour, describing him as a "tremendous liar", skipping > > > > school and > > > > > > > > > > being reluctant to do any work. > > > > > > > > > > > DNA tests indicate that Guede had sex with Kercher before > > > > > > > > > > her > > > > murder > > > > > > > > > > [59] and that faeces found in the toilet were his.[60] > > > > > > > > > > > Knox has confirmed meeting Guede a few times. Guede has been > > > > described > > > > > > > > > > as a drug dealer and a thief. > > > > > > > > > > > So here we have a guy who had sex with the victim just > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > murder and who then "Conveniently" claims to have been > > > > listening to > > > > > > > > > > his ipod when Knox and Sollecito came home. > > > > > > > > > > > It might be that Rudy raped Kercher, she threatened to call > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > police, he choked her and then slit her throat followed by a > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > "lie" that would unfortunately ensnare two innocent people. > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > fled the country. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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