The same from me I'm afraid. I think we have generally lost the lot in our justice systems. The key problems i that we allow no proper, real time and pubic evaluation of what goes on. This used to be to protect the process (at least in part) from 'hand 'em high' vigilantism, but know seems simply to protect idiocy in the system from a public scrutiny that could help iron out much of the unfairness.
Orn hits two nails on the head with reference to OJ - the farce of the glove and the issue of expecting someone to be responsible for a crime. We are so naff generally that we even make victims responsible for what is done to them in order to keep hold of our unevaluated notions that the world is a good place. Double standards abound. The fact that a woman is a prostitute is supposedly irrelevant in the offence, yet we are somehow still supposed to take into account of 'promiscuity' in murder. Barf to Barmy I'm afraid Slip. It all makes as much sense as paying bwankers big bonuses (now they really should be paid off with that herbal stuff that swells us to 9 inches). As a detective, I used to put a lot of emphasis in investigation to catching people in lies, until I realised no one was any good at this and that some people just can't help telling them, especially around cops. Plus I caught myself thinking everyone was lying all the time, I sure sign you've lost the plot. Evidence was thin on the ground back then - forensics were usually non-existent. I had people coughing to crimes they could not have committed and so found this was widespread - typically you'd phone another force to say you had someone admitting to a range of offences there, only to find they had already either found the real culprit or fitted someone up (this is not as bad as it sounds - the vagaries of TIC need to be understood, in which crims can admit to stuff without it adding to their sentences). Weirdly, the higher the offence, the more l;ikely bullshit evidence is to be admitted to court. On 7 Dec, 23:55, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > *Barf* > > On Dec 7, 3:31 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi you all! > > Let us look at this murder from different points of view that we have > > not discussed here yet. > > (1) Amanda Knox is a pretty face that likes to use her beauty to her > > advantage and in a way wants to rule over man-folks that look at her > > in a love trance way; this is what I believe she is like. > > (2) Did you know that Amanda Knox was going to be replaced in the > > night club strip tease? > > The night club strip tease replacement was very likely Kercher, could > > this not be enough to set Amanda for revenge? > > There are many other things that makes me think that Amanda is > > involved in this murder. > > Rudy Guede did not say that Amand was not there, he said that there > > was a man and a woman there also. > > Now you can make out whatever you think abut this. > > I think I have said enough, so I better stop. > > Manfraco > > > On Dec 8, 5:52 am, dj Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I did not say not guilty or guilty..the deed was done...does not the law > > > require Jury and facts and when ,where,why..and far as poetry..I see you > > > have been reading poetry...what do you think ...Maybe there is more than > > > one...involved,and the media state facts blown up...you can sift through > > > some of it.. > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm still spot on in declaring that guilt is only a possibility for > > > > those involved as there has yet to be any smoking gun incriminating > > > > evidence. You Mr. Frank had brought your wife in here Not me! > > > > Further you actually give credibility to the "Media" as a reliable > > > > form of judgment when the fact is they are hardly anything more than a > > > > gossip tabloid and that makes you look foolish. The only "real" way to > > > > follow this case is to be physically in the courtroom during the > > > > trial. > > > > I think Archy is spot on in placing a higher degree of suspicion on > > > > Rudy Guede, who as I said before had sex with Kercher before the > > > > murder, admitted that Knox was Not there at the time of the murder, > > > > conveniently claimed to be listening to his ipod and unable to hear > > > > anything, has a criminal history and fled the country after the > > > > murder. His psuedo adopted father described him as a "tremendous liar" > > > > who skipped school and was reluctant to do any work. > > > > Meanwhile it is also possible that Knox and Sollecito were out at the > > > > time and came home to the murder later. Even if Knox and Kercher were > > > > arguing about Amanda's cleanliness and promiscuity I don't see that as > > > > being a reason for Knox to kill Kercher. > > > > It is still possible that all three are guilty in a collusive murder > > > > based upon a sordid relationship gone wrong. I have no patriotism in > > > > this case nor any special affection for Americans abroad as you so > > > > hastily conclude and of which I've provided no indication of. I've > > > > made clear statements that are not biased towards anyone's innocence > > > > but clearly addressed the case without drawing conclusions. > > > > The fact that Kercher was murdered and that someone must pay for the > > > > crime does not mean Knox is guilty of the murder. The evidence is weak > > > > and I think because the case has drawn so much attention to the > > > > Italian judicial system, the Italians have also conveniently found > > > > everyone guilty, which now gives them another year to sort things out > > > > further. Hopefully the appeals process will be more efficient. > > > > There are scores of people who have been on death row for 20/30 years > > > > and have been found "not guilty" thanks to DNA evidence. I imagine > > > > they were found guilty by your "media style" judicial system. > > > > > On Dec 6, 9:29 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi SD! > > > > > Your patriotism is blinding you Slip! And leave my wife out of this > > > > > ok! Usually you are spot on, but not this time, because somebody must > > > > > pay for that horrible crime, and if it is one from your country it > > > > > makes no difference. > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > On Dec 7, 1:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from the > > > > > > > Italian > > > > > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; this > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended family > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other people. > > > > <<MFE > > > > > > > That is totally and utterly ridiculous! > > > > > > The media calls someone a devil and so there must be more going on > > > > > > that we don't know about? sic! > > > > > > You actually buy into the media hype and sheer bullshit? > > > > > > If anyone is guilty it is your wife, who is guilty of judgment. > > > > > > There > > > > > > are too many variables and inconsistencies to pass judgment on this > > > > > > case. We can only present possibilities. If the Italian court system > > > > > > had it right there wouldn't be any international disagreement with > > > > > > their judicial system. I'm extremely hopeful that I will never be > > > > > > on > > > > > > trial but if ever I am I will be equally hopeful that there aren't > > > > > > any > > > > > > people on the jury like your wife who thinks she can pass judgment > > > > > > based on following a case through media reporting. That's pathetic! > > > > > > > On Dec 6, 5:16 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi everybody! > > > > > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from the > > > > > > > Italian > > > > > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; this > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended family > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other people. > > > > > > > My wife has followed this murder case, and in her own simple ways > > > > > > > believes that Amanda Knox may very well be guilty. > > > > > > > I am pretty sure that the Italian court is right they took a very > > > > long > > > > > > > time to get it right, therefore if in the future nobody of the > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > people involved co fesses of the murder, things are just the way > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > court has said. > > > > > > > Just because she is an American girl doesn't mean she is innocent. > > > > > > > Just forget the American bit the law is the same for everybody. > > > > > > > My regards to you all > > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > > On Dec 7, 9:26 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are several problems, one being the level of > > > > > > > > understanding in > > > > > > > > jury pools, ie; the IQ factor. There is much more emphasis put > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > "convincing" than actually proving guilt or innocence. Not to > > > > mention > > > > > > > > the elevation of prosecutors to district attorneys to mayor, > > > > governor, > > > > > > > > senate seat, congress and possible presidential seat. Its > > > > > > > > scary to > > > > us > > > > > > > > but people that crave these positions don't really care how they > > > > get > > > > > > > > there. Further more it is completely obvious that the > > > > > > > > vindication > > > > of > > > > > > > > hundreds of convicts and death row inmates reveals the ugly > > > > > > > > truth > > > > > > > > about the "justice?" system and all it's flaws. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 6, 12:11 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There are too many frightening miscarriages in our legal > > > > > > > > > systems. > > > > > > > > > Easy enough to make thing thing 'Italian' - yet here we have > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > plenty and even in Texas people are worrying about the death > > > > sentence > > > > > > > > > because of so much uncertainty about convicting the right > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > On 6 Dec, 16:44, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm always suspect of criminal types changing stories and > > > > > > > > > > plea > > > > bargain > > > > > > > > > > deals with overzealous prosecutors. > > > > > > > > > > It might be likely that Rudy killed her because she didn't > > > > want, or no > > > > > > > > > > longer wanted to have any relation with him. It won't be > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > deal made by someone trying to get a lessor sentence. 25 > > > > > > > > > > years > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > lot better than Life in prison for a 20 year old. At 45 > > > > > > > > > > he'll > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > be able to have a life. > > > > > > > > > > > Guede came to Perugia at the age of five with his > > > > > > > > > > father,[57] > > > > Pacome > > > > > > > > > > Roger Guede.[58] His father left Italy when Guede was 16, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > he was > > > > > > > > > > informally adopted by the family of a wealthy local > > > > businessman, Paolo > > > > > > > > > > Caporali.[57] Caporali stated that he had been disappointed > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > Guede's > > > > > > > > > > behaviour, describing him as a "tremendous liar", skipping > > > > school and > > > > > > > > > > being reluctant to do any work. > > > > > > > > > > > DNA tests indicate that Guede had sex with Kercher before > > > > > > > > > > her > > > > murder > > > > > > > > > > [59] and that faeces found in the toilet were his.[60] > > > > > > > > > > > Knox has confirmed meeting Guede a few times. Guede has been > > > > described > > > > > > > > > > as a drug dealer and a thief. > > > > > > > > > > > So here we have a guy who had sex with the victim just > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > murder and who then "Conveniently" claims to have been > > > > listening to > > > > > > > > > > his ipod when Knox and Sollecito came home. > > > > > > > > > > > It might be that Rudy raped Kercher, she threatened to call > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > police, he choked her and then slit her throat followed by a > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > "lie" that would unfortunately ensnare two innocent people. > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > fled the country. > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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