I just find our legal systems worse than they could be. A classic in ours Lee was the failure of a jury to convict Clive Ponting, the guy who told us the Belgrano was sailing the wrong way - a triumph of a jury just ignoring the prosecution and judge, deciding the guy did the decent thing and refusing to convict despite the evidence and law. A perverse decision according to the judge. I guess we'd both have been proud to be one of those 'perverts' Lee. I doubt the Italians are any worse than we are.
On 11 Dec, 21:41, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi SD! > Tell me this: if Amanda Knox was not an American would you have > thought to take her side? > I am pretty sure that you would not. > You are trying to run the Italian court system down, where you don't > know a thing how they work, which may very well be different from the > American system. > As an Italian born I should defend the Italian system whenever that > system is being attacked. > I have no anti American sentiments, so, just to let you know my > international views, I first of all have to be Australian, since I > live in Australia, then I have to be Italian and then American, the > rest of the world falls behind these three OK? > I am not narrow minded as you describe me, and I have said what I have > said, just to show you that there were many things which a lot of us > don't know; but you assumed to know and attacked the Italian court > system. > Anyhow I don't care anymore since that was not a personal thing? > Goodbye everybody on this tread, and I hope I don't have to reply to > this tread anymore. > Manfraco. > > On Dec 11, 9:34 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I don't know what you are referring to as far as being near to > > something nor anything being hard to digest, unless you are referring > > to your obvious anti American sentiments. Your persistent display of > > a narrow minded person with tunnel vision towards a person who in your > > opinion is pretty, I personally find her androgynous, is in my opinion > > a danger to society, especially when justice is concerned. True > > justice prevails when there are no tabloid and media mentality people > > such as yourself to render judgment in a case, you have absolutely no > > basis to pass judgment on Amanda Knox. Furthermore it is not only how > > I feel but I'm sure there are plenty of others here that would stand > > up for what I'm saying. In fact Archy concurred with my post reply to > > yours which was in it's entirety "BARF!" > > You have in your posts revealed who you are and what you are about and > > I reiterate, I could only hope that if ever, for whatever reason, I > > happen to be on trial for something I didn't do, I HOPE there are not > > people like you and yours on the jury panel that might judge me upon > > my appearance or attitude. There are numerous people who have > > suffered unjust incarceration in prison and lost their lives on death > > row because of people who judged them by their looks or skin color. > > > However, just for arguments sake lets review your posts: > > > You start with.. > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from the Italian > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; this makes > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended family whether > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other people. > > > You further state; > > I am pretty sure that the Italian court is right. > > and > > Just because she is an American girl doesn't mean she is innocent. > > and > > ......because somebody must > > pay for that horrible crime, and if it is one from your country it > > makes no difference. > > and > > (1) Amanda Knox is a pretty face that likes to use her beauty to her > > advantage and in a way wants to rule over man-folks that look at her > > in a love trance way; this is what I believe she is like. > > and > > The night club strip tease replacement was very likely Kercher, could > > this not be enough to set Amanda for revenge? > > > Enough said, your approach is totally nauseating and very revealing as > > to the type of person you are. > > > I'm Spot On! > > > On Dec 10, 3:00 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Hi SD! > > > I see how you feel, I know there are things hard to digest and sting > > > when you are near them, so it would be better if we leave them alone. > > > Goodbye > > > Manfraco > > > > On Dec 8, 10:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *Barf* > > > > > On Dec 7, 3:31 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi you all! > > > > > Let us look at this murder from different points of view that we have > > > > > not discussed here yet. > > > > > (1) Amanda Knox is a pretty face that likes to use her beauty to her > > > > > advantage and in a way wants to rule over man-folks that look at her > > > > > in a love trance way; this is what I believe she is like. > > > > > (2) Did you know that Amanda Knox was going to be replaced in the > > > > > night club strip tease? > > > > > The night club strip tease replacement was very likely Kercher, could > > > > > this not be enough to set Amanda for revenge? > > > > > There are many other things that makes me think that Amanda is > > > > > involved in this murder. > > > > > Rudy Guede did not say that Amand was not there, he said that there > > > > > was a man and a woman there also. > > > > > Now you can make out whatever you think abut this. > > > > > I think I have said enough, so I better stop. > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > On Dec 8, 5:52 am, dj Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I did not say not guilty or guilty..the deed was done...does not > > > > > > the law > > > > > > require Jury and facts and when ,where,why..and far as poetry..I > > > > > > see you > > > > > > have been reading poetry...what do you think ...Maybe there is more > > > > > > than > > > > > > one...involved,and the media state facts blown up...you can sift > > > > > > through > > > > > > some of it.. > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm still spot on in declaring that guilt is only a possibility > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > those involved as there has yet to be any smoking gun > > > > > > > incriminating > > > > > > > evidence. You Mr. Frank had brought your wife in here Not me! > > > > > > > Further you actually give credibility to the "Media" as a reliable > > > > > > > form of judgment when the fact is they are hardly anything more > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > gossip tabloid and that makes you look foolish. The only "real" > > > > > > > way to > > > > > > > follow this case is to be physically in the courtroom during the > > > > > > > trial. > > > > > > > I think Archy is spot on in placing a higher degree of suspicion > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > Rudy Guede, who as I said before had sex with Kercher before the > > > > > > > murder, admitted that Knox was Not there at the time of the > > > > > > > murder, > > > > > > > conveniently claimed to be listening to his ipod and unable to > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > anything, has a criminal history and fled the country after the > > > > > > > murder. His psuedo adopted father described him as a "tremendous > > > > > > > liar" > > > > > > > who skipped school and was reluctant to do any work. > > > > > > > Meanwhile it is also possible that Knox and Sollecito were out at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > time and came home to the murder later. Even if Knox and Kercher > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > arguing about Amanda's cleanliness and promiscuity I don't see > > > > > > > that as > > > > > > > being a reason for Knox to kill Kercher. > > > > > > > It is still possible that all three are guilty in a collusive > > > > > > > murder > > > > > > > based upon a sordid relationship gone wrong. I have no > > > > > > > patriotism in > > > > > > > this case nor any special affection for Americans abroad as you so > > > > > > > hastily conclude and of which I've provided no indication of. > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > made clear statements that are not biased towards anyone's > > > > > > > innocence > > > > > > > but clearly addressed the case without drawing conclusions. > > > > > > > The fact that Kercher was murdered and that someone must pay for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > crime does not mean Knox is guilty of the murder. The evidence is > > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > and I think because the case has drawn so much attention to the > > > > > > > Italian judicial system, the Italians have also conveniently found > > > > > > > everyone guilty, which now gives them another year to sort things > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > further. Hopefully the appeals process will be more efficient. > > > > > > > There are scores of people who have been on death row for 20/30 > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > and have been found "not guilty" thanks to DNA evidence. I > > > > > > > imagine > > > > > > > they were found guilty by your "media style" judicial system. > > > > > > > > On Dec 6, 9:29 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi SD! > > > > > > > > Your patriotism is blinding you Slip! And leave my wife out of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > ok! Usually you are spot on, but not this time, because > > > > > > > > somebody must > > > > > > > > pay for that horrible crime, and if it is one from your country > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > makes no difference. > > > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > > > On Dec 7, 1:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from > > > > > > > > > > the Italian > > > > > > > > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; > > > > > > > > > > this makes > > > > > > > > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended > > > > > > > > > > family whether > > > > > > > > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > <<MFE > > > > > > > > > > That is totally and utterly ridiculous! > > > > > > > > > The media calls someone a devil and so there must be more > > > > > > > > > going on > > > > > > > > > that we don't know about? sic! > > > > > > > > > You actually buy into the media hype and sheer bullshit? > > > > > > > > > If anyone is guilty it is your wife, who is guilty of > > > > > > > > > judgment. There > > > > > > > > > are too many variables and inconsistencies to pass judgment > > > > > > > > > on this > > > > > > > > > case. We can only present possibilities. If the Italian court > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > had it right there wouldn't be any international disagreement > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > their judicial system. I'm extremely hopeful that I will > > > > > > > > > never be on > > > > > > > > > trial but if ever I am I will be equally hopeful that there > > > > > > > > > aren't any > > > > > > > > > people on the jury like your wife who thinks she can pass > > > > > > > > > judgment > > > > > > > > > based on following a case through media reporting. That's > > > > > > > > > pathetic! > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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