The frightening thing surely is that we seem to be convicting people on the basis of 'evidence' that seems like a crock as it is reported to us. Either the court managed to do its job and the media are lousy muck-rakers selling copy rather than reporting accurately, or courts are mis-presenting evidence. It's no doubt both are in need of change and the winds of honesty - it's all ridden with double standards.
On 12 Dec, 01:25, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > You are pretty sure of a lot of things and that is what the problem > is, once again you are totally wrong. > > I don't care one way or the other whether Amanda is American, it > doesn't weigh in one iota in my thought process. It is a bit > insulting that you would reduce my thought process to "Americans are > all squeaky clean and not capable of crimes". > That is absurd but you are persistent in accusing me of that > sentiment. > > Secondly I didn't "Take Her Side" but expressed that there are other > possibilities and one being the possibility that she isn't guilty. In > contrast you have established her guilt by reason of media reporting > and your support of the Italian court system. > > I wouldn't even begin to support the American court system because, as > I had pointed out, many people have been falsely accused, wrongly > incarcerated, and killed on death row for crimes they did not commit. > Therefore the American court system is faulty as I would think many > other court systems in the world are. There are many legal > professionals who see faults in the Italian court system. > > Finally, it IS possible that all three colluded to commit this crime > BUT there IS also the possibility that all three didn't. There IS the > possibility that Knox and Sollecito (an Italian) are innocent. There > "ARE" other possibilities. > > Just because a court, any court, lays down a verdict, doesn't in my > opinion prove that someone is guilty because court systems are not > without fault. > > I emphatically would not ever presume someones guilt based on media > hype reporting and character assassination. > > If you want to leave the thread that is your choice. You don't seem > open minded enough to admit to the variables. > > Chao! > > On Dec 11, 3:41 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi SD! > > Tell me this: if Amanda Knox was not an American would you have > > thought to take her side? > > I am pretty sure that you would not. > > You are trying to run the Italian court system down, where you don't > > know a thing how they work, which may very well be different from the > > American system. > > As an Italian born I should defend the Italian system whenever that > > system is being attacked. > > I have no anti American sentiments, so, just to let you know my > > international views, I first of all have to be Australian, since I > > live in Australia, then I have to be Italian and then American, the > > rest of the world falls behind these three OK? > > I am not narrow minded as you describe me, and I have said what I have > > said, just to show you that there were many things which a lot of us > > don't know; but you assumed to know and attacked the Italian court > > system. > > Anyhow I don't care anymore since that was not a personal thing? > > Goodbye everybody on this tread, and I hope I don't have to reply to > > this tread anymore. > > Manfraco. > > > On Dec 11, 9:34 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't know what you are referring to as far as being near to > > > something nor anything being hard to digest, unless you are referring > > > to your obvious anti American sentiments. Your persistent display of > > > a narrow minded person with tunnel vision towards a person who in your > > > opinion is pretty, I personally find her androgynous, is in my opinion > > > a danger to society, especially when justice is concerned. True > > > justice prevails when there are no tabloid and media mentality people > > > such as yourself to render judgment in a case, you have absolutely no > > > basis to pass judgment on Amanda Knox. Furthermore it is not only how > > > I feel but I'm sure there are plenty of others here that would stand > > > up for what I'm saying. In fact Archy concurred with my post reply to > > > yours which was in it's entirety "BARF!" > > > You have in your posts revealed who you are and what you are about and > > > I reiterate, I could only hope that if ever, for whatever reason, I > > > happen to be on trial for something I didn't do, I HOPE there are not > > > people like you and yours on the jury panel that might judge me upon > > > my appearance or attitude. There are numerous people who have > > > suffered unjust incarceration in prison and lost their lives on death > > > row because of people who judged them by their looks or skin color. > > > > However, just for arguments sake lets review your posts: > > > > You start with.. > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from the Italian > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; this makes > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended family whether > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other people. > > > > You further state; > > > I am pretty sure that the Italian court is right. > > > and > > > Just because she is an American girl doesn't mean she is innocent. > > > and > > > ......because somebody must > > > pay for that horrible crime, and if it is one from your country it > > > makes no difference. > > > and > > > (1) Amanda Knox is a pretty face that likes to use her beauty to her > > > advantage and in a way wants to rule over man-folks that look at her > > > in a love trance way; this is what I believe she is like. > > > and > > > The night club strip tease replacement was very likely Kercher, could > > > this not be enough to set Amanda for revenge? > > > > Enough said, your approach is totally nauseating and very revealing as > > > to the type of person you are. > > > > I'm Spot On! > > > > On Dec 10, 3:00 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi SD! > > > > I see how you feel, I know there are things hard to digest and sting > > > > when you are near them, so it would be better if we leave them alone. > > > > Goodbye > > > > Manfraco > > > > > On Dec 8, 10:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > *Barf* > > > > > > On Dec 7, 3:31 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi you all! > > > > > > Let us look at this murder from different points of view that we > > > > > > have > > > > > > not discussed here yet. > > > > > > (1) Amanda Knox is a pretty face that likes to use her beauty to her > > > > > > advantage and in a way wants to rule over man-folks that look at her > > > > > > in a love trance way; this is what I believe she is like. > > > > > > (2) Did you know that Amanda Knox was going to be replaced in the > > > > > > night club strip tease? > > > > > > The night club strip tease replacement was very likely Kercher, > > > > > > could > > > > > > this not be enough to set Amanda for revenge? > > > > > > There are many other things that makes me think that Amanda is > > > > > > involved in this murder. > > > > > > Rudy Guede did not say that Amand was not there, he said that there > > > > > > was a man and a woman there also. > > > > > > Now you can make out whatever you think abut this. > > > > > > I think I have said enough, so I better stop. > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 5:52 am, dj Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I did not say not guilty or guilty..the deed was done...does not > > > > > > > the law > > > > > > > require Jury and facts and when ,where,why..and far as poetry..I > > > > > > > see you > > > > > > > have been reading poetry...what do you think ...Maybe there is > > > > > > > more than > > > > > > > one...involved,and the media state facts blown up...you can sift > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > some of it.. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm still spot on in declaring that guilt is only a possibility > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > those involved as there has yet to be any smoking gun > > > > > > > > incriminating > > > > > > > > evidence. You Mr. Frank had brought your wife in here Not me! > > > > > > > > Further you actually give credibility to the "Media" as a > > > > > > > > reliable > > > > > > > > form of judgment when the fact is they are hardly anything more > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > gossip tabloid and that makes you look foolish. The only "real" > > > > > > > > way to > > > > > > > > follow this case is to be physically in the courtroom during the > > > > > > > > trial. > > > > > > > > I think Archy is spot on in placing a higher degree of > > > > > > > > suspicion on > > > > > > > > Rudy Guede, who as I said before had sex with Kercher before the > > > > > > > > murder, admitted that Knox was Not there at the time of the > > > > > > > > murder, > > > > > > > > conveniently claimed to be listening to his ipod and unable to > > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > > anything, has a criminal history and fled the country after the > > > > > > > > murder. His psuedo adopted father described him as a > > > > > > > > "tremendous liar" > > > > > > > > who skipped school and was reluctant to do any work. > > > > > > > > Meanwhile it is also possible that Knox and Sollecito were out > > > > > > > > at the > > > > > > > > time and came home to the murder later. Even if Knox and > > > > > > > > Kercher were > > > > > > > > arguing about Amanda's cleanliness and promiscuity I don't see > > > > > > > > that as > > > > > > > > being a reason for Knox to kill Kercher. > > > > > > > > It is still possible that all three are guilty in a collusive > > > > > > > > murder > > > > > > > > based upon a sordid relationship gone wrong. I have no > > > > > > > > patriotism in > > > > > > > > this case nor any special affection for Americans abroad as you > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > hastily conclude and of which I've provided no indication of. > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > made clear statements that are not biased towards anyone's > > > > > > > > innocence > > > > > > > > but clearly addressed the case without drawing conclusions. > > > > > > > > The fact that Kercher was murdered and that someone must pay > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > crime does not mean Knox is guilty of the murder. The evidence > > > > > > > > is weak > > > > > > > > and I think because the case has drawn so much attention to the > > > > > > > > Italian judicial system, the Italians have also conveniently > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > everyone guilty, which now gives them another year to sort > > > > > > > > things out > > > > > > > > further. 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