You are pretty sure of a lot of things and that is what the problem is, once again you are totally wrong.
I don't care one way or the other whether Amanda is American, it doesn't weigh in one iota in my thought process. It is a bit insulting that you would reduce my thought process to "Americans are all squeaky clean and not capable of crimes". That is absurd but you are persistent in accusing me of that sentiment. Secondly I didn't "Take Her Side" but expressed that there are other possibilities and one being the possibility that she isn't guilty. In contrast you have established her guilt by reason of media reporting and your support of the Italian court system. I wouldn't even begin to support the American court system because, as I had pointed out, many people have been falsely accused, wrongly incarcerated, and killed on death row for crimes they did not commit. Therefore the American court system is faulty as I would think many other court systems in the world are. There are many legal professionals who see faults in the Italian court system. Finally, it IS possible that all three colluded to commit this crime BUT there IS also the possibility that all three didn't. There IS the possibility that Knox and Sollecito (an Italian) are innocent. There "ARE" other possibilities. Just because a court, any court, lays down a verdict, doesn't in my opinion prove that someone is guilty because court systems are not without fault. I emphatically would not ever presume someones guilt based on media hype reporting and character assassination. If you want to leave the thread that is your choice. You don't seem open minded enough to admit to the variables. Chao! On Dec 11, 3:41 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi SD! > Tell me this: if Amanda Knox was not an American would you have > thought to take her side? > I am pretty sure that you would not. > You are trying to run the Italian court system down, where you don't > know a thing how they work, which may very well be different from the > American system. > As an Italian born I should defend the Italian system whenever that > system is being attacked. > I have no anti American sentiments, so, just to let you know my > international views, I first of all have to be Australian, since I > live in Australia, then I have to be Italian and then American, the > rest of the world falls behind these three OK? > I am not narrow minded as you describe me, and I have said what I have > said, just to show you that there were many things which a lot of us > don't know; but you assumed to know and attacked the Italian court > system. > Anyhow I don't care anymore since that was not a personal thing? > Goodbye everybody on this tread, and I hope I don't have to reply to > this tread anymore. > Manfraco. > > On Dec 11, 9:34 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I don't know what you are referring to as far as being near to > > something nor anything being hard to digest, unless you are referring > > to your obvious anti American sentiments. Your persistent display of > > a narrow minded person with tunnel vision towards a person who in your > > opinion is pretty, I personally find her androgynous, is in my opinion > > a danger to society, especially when justice is concerned. True > > justice prevails when there are no tabloid and media mentality people > > such as yourself to render judgment in a case, you have absolutely no > > basis to pass judgment on Amanda Knox. Furthermore it is not only how > > I feel but I'm sure there are plenty of others here that would stand > > up for what I'm saying. In fact Archy concurred with my post reply to > > yours which was in it's entirety "BARF!" > > You have in your posts revealed who you are and what you are about and > > I reiterate, I could only hope that if ever, for whatever reason, I > > happen to be on trial for something I didn't do, I HOPE there are not > > people like you and yours on the jury panel that might judge me upon > > my appearance or attitude. There are numerous people who have > > suffered unjust incarceration in prison and lost their lives on death > > row because of people who judged them by their looks or skin color. > > > However, just for arguments sake lets review your posts: > > > You start with.. > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from the Italian > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; this makes > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended family whether > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other people. > > > You further state; > > I am pretty sure that the Italian court is right. > > and > > Just because she is an American girl doesn't mean she is innocent. > > and > > ......because somebody must > > pay for that horrible crime, and if it is one from your country it > > makes no difference. > > and > > (1) Amanda Knox is a pretty face that likes to use her beauty to her > > advantage and in a way wants to rule over man-folks that look at her > > in a love trance way; this is what I believe she is like. > > and > > The night club strip tease replacement was very likely Kercher, could > > this not be enough to set Amanda for revenge? > > > Enough said, your approach is totally nauseating and very revealing as > > to the type of person you are. > > > I'm Spot On! > > > On Dec 10, 3:00 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Hi SD! > > > I see how you feel, I know there are things hard to digest and sting > > > when you are near them, so it would be better if we leave them alone. > > > Goodbye > > > Manfraco > > > > On Dec 8, 10:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *Barf* > > > > > On Dec 7, 3:31 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi you all! > > > > > Let us look at this murder from different points of view that we have > > > > > not discussed here yet. > > > > > (1) Amanda Knox is a pretty face that likes to use her beauty to her > > > > > advantage and in a way wants to rule over man-folks that look at her > > > > > in a love trance way; this is what I believe she is like. > > > > > (2) Did you know that Amanda Knox was going to be replaced in the > > > > > night club strip tease? > > > > > The night club strip tease replacement was very likely Kercher, could > > > > > this not be enough to set Amanda for revenge? > > > > > There are many other things that makes me think that Amanda is > > > > > involved in this murder. > > > > > Rudy Guede did not say that Amand was not there, he said that there > > > > > was a man and a woman there also. > > > > > Now you can make out whatever you think abut this. > > > > > I think I have said enough, so I better stop. > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > On Dec 8, 5:52 am, dj Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I did not say not guilty or guilty..the deed was done...does not > > > > > > the law > > > > > > require Jury and facts and when ,where,why..and far as poetry..I > > > > > > see you > > > > > > have been reading poetry...what do you think ...Maybe there is more > > > > > > than > > > > > > one...involved,and the media state facts blown up...you can sift > > > > > > through > > > > > > some of it.. > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm still spot on in declaring that guilt is only a possibility > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > those involved as there has yet to be any smoking gun > > > > > > > incriminating > > > > > > > evidence. You Mr. Frank had brought your wife in here Not me! > > > > > > > Further you actually give credibility to the "Media" as a reliable > > > > > > > form of judgment when the fact is they are hardly anything more > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > gossip tabloid and that makes you look foolish. The only "real" > > > > > > > way to > > > > > > > follow this case is to be physically in the courtroom during the > > > > > > > trial. > > > > > > > I think Archy is spot on in placing a higher degree of suspicion > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > Rudy Guede, who as I said before had sex with Kercher before the > > > > > > > murder, admitted that Knox was Not there at the time of the > > > > > > > murder, > > > > > > > conveniently claimed to be listening to his ipod and unable to > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > anything, has a criminal history and fled the country after the > > > > > > > murder. His psuedo adopted father described him as a "tremendous > > > > > > > liar" > > > > > > > who skipped school and was reluctant to do any work. > > > > > > > Meanwhile it is also possible that Knox and Sollecito were out at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > time and came home to the murder later. Even if Knox and Kercher > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > arguing about Amanda's cleanliness and promiscuity I don't see > > > > > > > that as > > > > > > > being a reason for Knox to kill Kercher. > > > > > > > It is still possible that all three are guilty in a collusive > > > > > > > murder > > > > > > > based upon a sordid relationship gone wrong. I have no > > > > > > > patriotism in > > > > > > > this case nor any special affection for Americans abroad as you so > > > > > > > hastily conclude and of which I've provided no indication of. > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > made clear statements that are not biased towards anyone's > > > > > > > innocence > > > > > > > but clearly addressed the case without drawing conclusions. > > > > > > > The fact that Kercher was murdered and that someone must pay for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > crime does not mean Knox is guilty of the murder. The evidence is > > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > and I think because the case has drawn so much attention to the > > > > > > > Italian judicial system, the Italians have also conveniently found > > > > > > > everyone guilty, which now gives them another year to sort things > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > further. Hopefully the appeals process will be more efficient. > > > > > > > There are scores of people who have been on death row for 20/30 > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > and have been found "not guilty" thanks to DNA evidence. I > > > > > > > imagine > > > > > > > they were found guilty by your "media style" judicial system. > > > > > > > > On Dec 6, 9:29 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi SD! > > > > > > > > Your patriotism is blinding you Slip! And leave my wife out of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > ok! Usually you are spot on, but not this time, because > > > > > > > > somebody must > > > > > > > > pay for that horrible crime, and if it is one from your country > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > makes no difference. > > > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > > > On Dec 7, 1:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Amanda Knox has been called the devil with blue eyes from > > > > > > > > > > the Italian > > > > > > > > > > media, so there must be a lot going on that we don't know; > > > > > > > > > > this makes > > > > > > > > > > me wonder whether one should learn about her extended > > > > > > > > > > family whether > > > > > > > > > > they use their very strong personality to overrule other > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > <<MFE > > > > > > > > > > That is totally and utterly ridiculous! > > > > > > > > > The media calls someone a devil and so there must be more > > > > > > > > > going on > > > > > > > > > that we don't know about? sic! > > > > > > > > > You actually buy into the media hype and sheer bullshit? > > > > > > > > > If anyone is guilty it is your wife, who is guilty of > > > > > > > > > judgment. There > > > > > > > > > are too many variables and inconsistencies to pass judgment > > > > > > > > > on this > > > > > > > > > case. We can only present possibilities. If the Italian court > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > had it right there wouldn't be any international disagreement > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > their judicial system. I'm extremely hopeful that I will > > > > > > > > > never be on > > > > > > > > > trial but if ever I am I will be equally hopeful that there > > > > > > > > > aren't any > > > > > > > > > people on the jury like your wife who thinks she can pass > > > > > > > > > judgment > > > > > > > > > based on following a case through media reporting. That's > > > > > > > > > pathetic! > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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