Karma Yoga is the dedication of the fruits of one's actions to the divine - deepak chopra
On Jan 15, 9:29 pm, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote: > When I said earlier that the soul making a decision to come through > the Earth journey may do so in order to gain some benefit for > completion of the task, does not suggest any lost of impressions, to > me. The generalized vicious cycle is assumed because of my experience > here in this life, and because of the fact that in the tree of life > Earth is at the bottom of the heavenly presentation, representing the > feet of that body. Remember that after the fall of Adam & Eve, God > clothed them to protect them. > Free will? You have free will to place your hand in an open flame. > Your decision to refrain after the first few tries, would it be a > product of free will? Evolve, isn't it something that we do every day? > If you can agree that we evolve daily, then to deny evolution as a > process to our present development, you will have to go back to the > point at which we Begin to evolve in order to show that evolution was > not involved. And wherever there is cause/effect there is Law. Your > state of being will be determined by how well you harmonize with them. > When you are cold you ajust, you avoid jumping out of 5 story windows, > you don't keep your body submerged in water too long, etc. > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't know Ed, you make it sound as if the clean slate is void of > > all previous experiences which I expressed earlier and you view the > > return as a generalized vicious cycle when it doesn't seem to need > > such a negative connotation. Science may be a handy tool and I'm sure > > Pat can find numerous correlations in this regard. Free will and the > > assumption that it is a "given" aspect of humanity throws a wrench > > into the works and to conflate that with evolutionary process is a > > stretch. Also culpability for actions/choices leaves us dithering for > > something to stick a label on, the who or what remains unanswered. We > > agree on much here with little in the gray area which is > > understandable and I wouldn't surmise that we are or would reach some > > concrete conclusion to all this pondering. The scientific aspect for > > me, for now holds the most weight. I don't really pay much attention > > to out of the air beliefs and have an aversion to dogma. > > I'm wondering what you are implying with ".......subject to Laws and > > Rules therein.......". Are you referring to physics or societal > > laws? Personally, I sometimes and many times feel freedom beyond any > > and all mundane laws and rules. We need to expound on this issue of > > laws and rules for incarnate spiritual beings/souls. > > > On Jan 15, 9:54 am, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Slip Disc, a clean slate is the one thing that is going to get you out > >> of this vicious cycle of return. Narrow is the way, and straight is > >> the gate. When you ask about a point in time, understand what you are > >> referring to in this case, science my be a handy tool. At what point > >> do we choose? At what point in the evolutionary process were we given > >> free will? That will seemingly be the point at which we were held > >> responsible for the effects of the choices we've made. Reading your > >> message to me here, I cannot find much of , what I consider error in > >> what you are saying. As to who/what decides, know that once the soul > >> enter into any of the worlds of manifestation it becomes subject to > >> the Laws and the Rules therein whether aware of them or not. The soul > >> primitive to either will be taught through trial and error. As far as > >> trying to unify souls, I think of them more in terms of parts of a > >> body that equals a whole. Here again, look to science to provide the > >> uniform structural make-up of the different parts of the body, then > >> apply it to the analysis. Imagine the power to be acquired by an > >> enlighten soul giving forewarning to a primitive soul once it sees the > >> accuracy of the enlightened. Now picture the enlightened soul being > >> corrupt and joining forces with other corrupt enlightened souls. Now > >> give those corrupt souls a 20,000 years revolution in the Earth plain. > >> So then h ever or whatever places these Laws into effect, that is who > >> or what decides. Those factors which enforces are those which we term > >> by different titles and names; angels and demons; spirits good and > >> evil; etc. > > >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Ed; > >> > A matter of choice at what point and where does one make the choice. > >> > Acquisition of experience that is causal to ascension might be and > >> > obverse be the falling from grace. The entry into this realm seems > >> > locked in, tied down and as you say subject to the laws, challenges > >> > and opportunities that become the playing field of success or failure > >> > according to and if there are actual adherents to be applied. I would > >> > think that if there exists souls that they would all have a uniformity > >> > as far as choice or not and if not who/what decides such things. > >> > I believe that some people have lived past lives but not all as some > >> > people are Old Souls, ie: child prodigies, brilliant scientists etc., > >> > while others are New Souls ie: idiots without a clue who are easily > >> > identifiable. I would not consider reincarnation in the sense that > >> > our soul returns in the form of a different species but contend the > >> > soul returns as another human being. A human soul does not return as > >> > a cow in my opinion. I think we retain life experiences within our > >> > soul and think life might be occurring simultaneously on different > >> > planes and further that there is a level at which time itself is of no > >> > consequence. The concept of old soul and new soul has been a > >> > contentious subject for my wife and I as she is deeply rooted in > >> > Catholicism and therefore won't accept it other than as a ridiculous > >> > notion. According to her Catholic faith, death is the "complete and > >> > final separation of the soul from the body". However the Vatican has > >> > conceded that diagnosing death is a subject for medicine, not the > >> > Church. Pope Pius XII questioned whether doctors might be "continuing > >> > the resuscitation process, despite the fact that the soul may already > >> > have left the body." > >> > Others believe that life remains intact as long as the heart is > >> > beating and others still contend that the mind and body are one so > >> > being brain dead has not impact on death itself. It seems that belief > >> > in certain aspects of death may give credence to what some know as > >> > Heaven and the immortality of the soul. For atheists, pantheists, > >> > materialists and rationalists there would be no question and > >> > conversation of such idea would be moot. So what meaning does death > >> > have to us as we are living? Perhaps it is a reminder that life is > >> > temporary and that we should pay heed to what lies ahead without > >> > paying as much attention to amassing materialistic treasures over > >> > spiritual values. Is death just a marker between lives? Possibly > >> > and for me most likely, no one has ever come back to tell us anything > >> > about it. Is there a Karma that carries from one life to the next? I > >> > would think that if the soul retains it's accumulated properties then > >> > it might also retain the aspects of retribution. Upon new life in the > >> > new physical frame is there a clean slate with which to develop? I > >> > often wonder why some people are born into extreme poverty and pain > >> > while other live wonderful lives. While both will have to commit to > >> > death the interim of life seems to have significance in the fact that > >> > maybe there is for them a lesson to be learned. I would also have to > >> > examine why it is that a person is born and dies within hours of > >> > living if there is any significance to life between birth and death. I > >> > believe that everyone has a soul unique to their self. To think that > >> > souls are just random formations of different lives would imply that > >> > upon death our soul becomes part of a huge soul pool or becomes part > >> > of the zero point field. How could we retain soul integrity if we die > >> > and our soul is dispersed into a pool? I would rather think my life > >> > reflects all the lives I have lived before, not that my life is > >> > fractions of Attila the Hun and King Herod etc. What determines who > >> > gets what from the soul pool? People are all so different and there > >> > is no uniformity, obviously I didn't get any Philo Farnsworth. What > >> > would govern the outcome of future lives? Is there a relation to the > >> > gene pool in how a person returns to live again? Possibly so. If a > >> > person has the same genetic makeup as the great grandfather, is that > >> > person partially living the life of the great grandfather, in thought > >> > and action? > >> > Is there a correlation? > > >> > On Jan 14, 2:02 am, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Perhaps the Earth-journey is a matter of choice which provides > >> >> experiences for ascensions and/or developments( Experience ) that > >> >> holds some special honor but can be acquired no other way. Once that > >> >> soul inters this realm of existence, becoming subject to the > >> >> controlling laws which acts kind of like a magnet to keep that soul in > >> >> the cycle of circumference until it master the Laws. This would not > >> >> imply that every soul here on earth is here as a mater of choice > >> >> either, as some are sure to assume. > > >> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Possibly it is time for a review of the existence of a soul or not. > >> >> > Those souls that are imbued with favoritism of sorts, not exactly the > >> >> > terminology, and others who are cursed. > >> >> > Let's say that previous soul enhancements lend to current living > >> >> > phenomena. > >> >> > Other questions arise, such as earth being a proving ground or a trial > >> >> > period, even a place for > > ... > > read more »
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