On 14 Jan, 16:54, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Ed; > A matter of choice at what point and where does one make the choice. > Acquisition of experience that is causal to ascension might be and > obverse be the falling from grace. The entry into this realm seems > locked in, tied down and as you say subject to the laws, challenges > and opportunities that become the playing field of success or failure > according to and if there are actual adherents to be applied. I would > think that if there exists souls that they would all have a uniformity > as far as choice or not and if not who/what decides such things. > I believe that some people have lived past lives but not all as some > people are Old Souls, ie: child prodigies, brilliant scientists etc., > while others are New Souls ie: idiots without a clue who are easily > identifiable. I would not consider reincarnation in the sense that > our soul returns in the form of a different species but contend the > soul returns as another human being. A human soul does not return as > a cow in my opinion. I think we retain life experiences within our > soul and think life might be occurring simultaneously on different > planes and further that there is a level at which time itself is of no > consequence. The concept of old soul and new soul has been a > contentious subject for my wife and I as she is deeply rooted in > Catholicism and therefore won't accept it other than as a ridiculous > notion. According to her Catholic faith, death is the "complete and > final separation of the soul from the body". However the Vatican has > conceded that diagnosing death is a subject for medicine, not the > Church. Pope Pius XII questioned whether doctors might be "continuing > the resuscitation process, despite the fact that the soul may already > have left the body." > Others believe that life remains intact as long as the heart is > beating and others still contend that the mind and body are one so > being brain dead has not impact on death itself. It seems that belief > in certain aspects of death may give credence to what some know as > Heaven and the immortality of the soul. For atheists, pantheists, > materialists and rationalists there would be no question and > conversation of such idea would be moot. So what meaning does death > have to us as we are living? Perhaps it is a reminder that life is > temporary and that we should pay heed to what lies ahead without > paying as much attention to amassing materialistic treasures over > spiritual values.
This is, almost word for word, a quote from the Qur'an. Allah states in the Qur'an that life is a test and temporary and that we should, indeed, pay more attention to the life hereafter, as THAT is eternal. Of course, any amount of time spent outside of space-time would SEEM eternal, as one is outside of time, therefore, eternal/timeless. That is, a 'soul' would experience any time spent outside of space-time as eternal, even if they were gone for only a second (of time with respect to time WITHIN space-time). Therefore, all rewards and punishments in the hereafter would SEEM eternal, even though there may have only been a few seconds between incarnations. That is, if re- incarnation DOES exist. It's certainly not outside the scope of my physics, as in my physics, consciousness isn't actually IN space-time (it's in the Calabi-Yau space), but being incarnated binds one TO time. Once an iinterface to space-time has been set-up, i.e., incarnated (or invegatated if one happens to be a plant--you see, I can't be specieist!!), it is bound to time, but, at death, they return to their natural, eternal state in the Calabi-Yau. And, of course, there could well be parts of the Calabi-Yau that are apportioned as places of reward (Heaven) or punishment (Hell). String theory allows for this, but no OTHER paradigm does. > Is death just a marker between lives? Possibly > and for me most likely, no one has ever come back to tell us anything > about it. Is there a Karma that carries from one life to the next? I > would think that if the soul retains it's accumulated properties then > it might also retain the aspects of retribution. Upon new life in the > new physical frame is there a clean slate with which to develop? I > often wonder why some people are born into extreme poverty and pain > while other live wonderful lives. While both will have to commit to > death the interim of life seems to have significance in the fact that > maybe there is for them a lesson to be learned. I would also have to > examine why it is that a person is born and dies within hours of > living if there is any significance to life between birth and death. I > believe that everyone has a soul unique to their self. To think that > souls are just random formations of different lives would imply that > upon death our soul becomes part of a huge soul pool or becomes part > of the zero point field. How could we retain soul integrity if we die > and our soul is dispersed into a pool? I would rather think my life > reflects all the lives I have lived before, not that my life is > fractions of Attila the Hun and King Herod etc. What determines who > gets what from the soul pool? People are all so different and there > is no uniformity, obviously I didn't get any Philo Farnsworth. What > would govern the outcome of future lives? Is there a relation to the > gene pool in how a person returns to live again? Possibly so. If a > person has the same genetic makeup as the great grandfather, is that > person partially living the life of the great grandfather, in thought > and action? > Is there a correlation? > > On Jan 14, 2:02 am, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Perhaps the Earth-journey is a matter of choice which provides > > experiences for ascensions and/or developments( Experience ) that > > holds some special honor but can be acquired no other way. Once that > > soul inters this realm of existence, becoming subject to the > > controlling laws which acts kind of like a magnet to keep that soul in > > the cycle of circumference until it master the Laws. This would not > > imply that every soul here on earth is here as a mater of choice > > either, as some are sure to assume. > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Possibly it is time for a review of the existence of a soul or not. > > > Those souls that are imbued with favoritism of sorts, not exactly the > > > terminology, and others who are cursed. > > > Let's say that previous soul enhancements lend to current living > > > phenomena. > > > Other questions arise, such as earth being a proving ground or a trial > > > period, even a place for people to suffer damnation, people have lived > > > horrible lives and others have suffered horrible deaths. > > > Who knows for sure, not eye saith the blind man. > > > Any variations are as well valid hypothesis. > > > > On Jan 13, 3:33 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > >> I am not making any statement about causation. The fact is that some > > >> people are luckier than others -- both ways. I don't know what to make > > >> of it. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 4:13 pm > > >> Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Karma > > > >> Yes. And it does appear that the sun orbits our planet, rising in the > > >> east, and setting in the west. > > > >> Correlation != causation. > > > >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Yet it does appear as if some people, and places either have good or > > >> bad luck in greater proportions than others. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: frantheman <[email protected]> > > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > >> Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 1:40 pm > > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Karma > > > >> On 13 Jan., 18:44, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > There is no "born lucky" or "born unlucky". There is merely the > > >> > randomness > > > >> > of the universe, and the series of decisions a person makes in their > > > >> > lifetime leading to different paths of causality. > > > >> True, Chris. 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