Let's be clear, an empirical position -- say on the Earth orbiting the sun
-- does not require "faith" in the religious sense of the word. Or not any
longer. There's a reasonable amount of "faith" required for anything, but
this operates in degrees and a few people in this thread are trying pull it
into the realm of the absurd.

I can see why people like Pat and Lee are hoping that a position of
"everything requires faith" is accepted; such proposition would seem to put
God and science on similarly valid intellectual footings. In other words, by
weakening science, theism is strengthened. Such a position won't be accepted
though, since it demands that we also accept that the level of faith
required for the two is in anyway comparable. It isn't.

Ian

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