On 8 Feb, 20:56, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > I seem to have totally left out another category: that of the general > concepts. As I was breaking it down and looking at the issues to > write, it occured to me that many examples are -at their root- simply > extensions of some basic negatives. So essentially I can give > specifics or touch the concepts. > The primary negative is the removal of power from the individual or > the secular society. Each abrahamic religion has the concept that the > believer is dross or corrupt.
False! Islam makes no such claim. >Original sin is the single most anti- > human concept ever and it permeates these faiths. It is not a part of Islam in ANY way. Get your facts straight! >Far too many people > believe that they are nothing without god, when the opposite is true, > god is nothing without them. Nope. God does not depend on us. We depend on Him. You wouldn't even be able to make your claims without depending on His existence for yours. Of course, you'll never accept that and that's your lot. > People that feel they are worthless, live like they are worthless. The > common phrase among christians now is "you can't buy your way into > heaven." Because they aren't full of human self worth, they must beg > for worth from their god. This leads to positive actions like taking > care of people, working for education of all, eradicating disease, > etc., not being worthy on their own. These people that sacrifice and > struggle to make existence better for the rest of society without > doing it in some religious cause, are simply trying to buy their way > in rather than demonstrating what a truly grand and beautiful thing is > humanity and our interests. This is an enormous negative. > True! But just make sure you exclude Islam from the list of religions that assumes human corruption. Nor is it a faith that does not value human life. Rather, it takes the view that we are, in fact, vicegerents of God and have a responsibility to act as such. And, as God is described as 'Most Merciful' and 'Most Compassionate', then we should endeavour to try to be as merciful and as compassionate as we can be. Judaism doesn't hold that we are tainted by Original Sin, either. Only Christianity requires it, because it requires an interventional saviour. The other two just enjoin one-to-one relationships between man and God. > On Feb 7, 2:34 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This subject is far too broad. Would you prefer historical or > > contemporary examples? Historical being 500+ years ago and on to > > antiquity, contemporary being 500yrs ago until present. > > > On Feb 7, 2:10 pm, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I am starting two parallel threads here: This one on the negative acts > > > and effect of religion and religious people, and the other on the > > > positive deeds and effects. > > > > Religions and religious people have done some really bad stuff, > > > despite that they say they are so good. Some of it is in the news, > > > some is hidden and some is just accepted by society with little > > > question. Let's use this thread to talk about those negative results > > > of religion and religious belief. How does religion negatively affect > > > children? What do the "source books" of religions say that are just > > > wrong? > > > > It might be helpful to develop an accurate time line correlating the > > > beginning and spread of various religions to historical events and > > > trends in the areas of the world that come under the influence of the > > > religion. > > > > Since religion has been around so long and has had such a pervasive > > > influence on society, it might be helpful to look at how a more > > > rational approach could be developed to supplant religion as the > > > source of answers to questions about right and wrong, goals in life, > > > and what happens when we die. (Then again, all this might be better > > > suited to a thread of its own!)- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
