I get what yo mean vam, I'm not sure that it is correct though.

I am English, I love the English country side, walking thought the
woods, there is not much better sight than an oak tree.  I certianly
have a sense of our history, and I have some feelings towards some
aspects of our land,
yet that just does not translates into patriotism for me.

On 11 Feb, 15:06, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> Patriotism is an emotional phenomenon.
>
> For true patriotic feelings, I think, one must have a sense of history
> and / or geography and / or particular features in its habitat and /
> or the wider community of the land, aspects of which one must come to
> love and value ...  with which one must identify and feel protective
> about. The process of identification may not be unlike that we develop
> for a child or for all that associated with the ( happy ) times of our
> early years ... it increases from, say, zero to 100, as the child
> grows, during which period we invest our emotions on it and it leaves
> experiences and memories of itself with us, such as to extend our own
> very being and identity.
>
> The value or merit in patriotism might be similar to that in our love
> for the child or for the tree that accepted or sheltered us when we
> were young, around which we 'd played and spent our happy hours !  I
> see the feeling itself as something pure, happy and valuable, unless
> it makes us parochial or becomes a means for us to compensate for all
> that is wrong within us.
>
> On Feb 11, 6:44 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > We have, like most things, had a bash at this here before, but I still
> > have unresovled questions so here goes again.
>
> > I'm not really a patriot, it's not that I hate my country, I certianly
> > don't, but I don't really love it either.  I don't feel anything for
> > the land in which I have been blessed to be born.
>
> > I don't get patriotism, I simply don't understand how one can feel
> > pride in the achivments of ones country without also feeling the shame
> > for the shamefull things, and most patriots that I am aware of
> > certianly do not exhibit that they feel such shame, whilst the pride
> > of any patriot is almost overwhelming.  I don't undertand this.
>
> > What vaule or merit is there in patriotism?
>
> > In the interest of full disclosure though I must admit that as a
> > native Londoner, my heart does skip a beat everytime  hear a London
> > accent on the TV, or in a piece of music, yet I have come to quite
> > detest the city(perhaps this is just my age?).  I feel no pride in
> > being a Londoner, the footie team I support is a Northen english one,
> > yand I certianly can't explain this heart skipping thing at all.
>
> > What do you think?©- Hide quoted text -
>
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