It's sure, pure ! On Feb 11, 10:01 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > perhaps a feeling, which I differentiate from emotion. I see emotion > as the complex feeling that includes memory of experience where the > feeling was included before, and projection of experience that could > possibly draw this feeling. The feeling itself, for me, does not need > to include associative emotions. And feeling can be included in > appreciation and partriotism and love. But the emotions of pride and > shame, I think, always associate with past experience. > > On Feb 11, 11:45 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I know, but no, it is love of all things including of your country, > > nation. There isn't much pride. A lot of tenderness. > > > On Feb 11, 9:40 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The sway of innocnce? Whatever do you mean Vam? > > > > Patriotism - The love of your country, national pride. > > > > On 11 Feb, 16:29, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Lee, I feel the need to understand what we mean by patriotism ... for > > > > me it is an emotion, a kind of love, the sway of innocence, the desire > > > > to keep company and protect this unifying happiness. This is how find > > > > in my experience. It is rich. > > > > > On Feb 11, 8:28 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I get what yo mean vam, I'm not sure that it is correct though. > > > > > > I am English, I love the English country side, walking thought the > > > > > woods, there is not much better sight than an oak tree. I certianly > > > > > have a sense of our history, and I have some feelings towards some > > > > > aspects of our land, > > > > > yet that just does not translates into patriotism for me. > > > > > > On 11 Feb, 15:06, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Patriotism is an emotional phenomenon. > > > > > > > For true patriotic feelings, I think, one must have a sense of > > > > > > history > > > > > > and / or geography and / or particular features in its habitat and / > > > > > > or the wider community of the land, aspects of which one must come > > > > > > to > > > > > > love and value ... with which one must identify and feel protective > > > > > > about. The process of identification may not be unlike that we > > > > > > develop > > > > > > for a child or for all that associated with the ( happy ) times of > > > > > > our > > > > > > early years ... it increases from, say, zero to 100, as the child > > > > > > grows, during which period we invest our emotions on it and it > > > > > > leaves > > > > > > experiences and memories of itself with us, such as to extend our > > > > > > own > > > > > > very being and identity. > > > > > > > The value or merit in patriotism might be similar to that in our > > > > > > love > > > > > > for the child or for the tree that accepted or sheltered us when we > > > > > > were young, around which we 'd played and spent our happy hours ! I > > > > > > see the feeling itself as something pure, happy and valuable, unless > > > > > > it makes us parochial or becomes a means for us to compensate for > > > > > > all > > > > > > that is wrong within us. > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 6:44 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > We have, like most things, had a bash at this here before, but I > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > have unresovled questions so here goes again. > > > > > > > > I'm not really a patriot, it's not that I hate my country, I > > > > > > > certianly > > > > > > > don't, but I don't really love it either. I don't feel anything > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > the land in which I have been blessed to be born. > > > > > > > > I don't get patriotism, I simply don't understand how one can feel > > > > > > > pride in the achivments of ones country without also feeling the > > > > > > > shame > > > > > > > for the shamefull things, and most patriots that I am aware of > > > > > > > certianly do not exhibit that they feel such shame, whilst the > > > > > > > pride > > > > > > > of any patriot is almost overwhelming. I don't undertand this. > > > > > > > > What vaule or merit is there in patriotism? > > > > > > > > In the interest of full disclosure though I must admit that as a > > > > > > > native Londoner, my heart does skip a beat everytime hear a > > > > > > > London > > > > > > > accent on the TV, or in a piece of music, yet I have come to quite > > > > > > > detest the city(perhaps this is just my age?). I feel no pride in > > > > > > > being a Londoner, the footie team I support is a Northen english > > > > > > > one, > > > > > > > yand I certianly can't explain this heart skipping thing at all. > > > > > > > > What do you think?©- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
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