"... It's all about trust and questioning the motives of such soruces though isn't it?" - Lee
Perhaps ....but that alone is asking a lot. On Feb 23, 3:54 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Hah yes indeed OM, we can all find sources which prove black is white > and white is red. It's all about trust and questioning the motives of > such soruces though isn't it? > > On 23 Feb, 11:44, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > One can find research to support almost any point of view Lee. > > >http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=placebo+effect+cancer&hl=en&as_sd... > > > A Wired UK article just told us a dirty little secret that the > > pharmaceutical drug world would rather keep quiet. That fact is: drugs > > are having a difficult time beating the placebo effect, and > > increasingly so. In fact, they're finding the placebo effect is > > getting stronger in people, making it more difficult for drugs to show > > any improvement over it. The credit for the increased placebo effect > > has been attributed to the increase in consumer advertising, which > > makes many consumers "believe" more in the drugs and their effects. > > Because the placebo effect is getting stronger, many widely > > distributed drugs would have had a hard time getting approval to begin > > with, if they were tested against today's placebo effect. Many drugs, > > notably Prozac, have also been shown to falter when compared to > > placebo - after they're already on the > > markethttp://www.naturalnews.com/027129_placebo_placebo_effect_drugs.html > > > Psych Drug Shocker: Antidepressant Drugs Work No Better than Placebo; > > Big Pharma Hoax Finally > > Exposedhttp://www.naturalnews.com/022723_placebo_depression_antidepressants.... > > > Is acupuncture nothing more than a dressed-up placebo effect? Not > > according to a recent joint MIT-Harvard Medical School clinical study. > > The study, published in the November 2008 issue of the peer-reviewed > > science journal Behavioural Brain Research, utilized functional > > magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) and positron emission tomography > > (PET) to examine the effects of acupuncture in relieving > > pain.http://www.naturalnews.com/025057_acupuncture_placebo_the_brain.html > > > Even though placebos do not act on the disease, they seem to have an > > effect in about 1 out of 3 > > patients.http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3x_Placebo_Effect.asp > > > Placebos have helped alleviate pain, depression, anxiety, Parkinson's > > disease, inflammatory disorders and even cancer. > > Placebo Effect: A Cure in the Mind > > Belief is powerful medicine, even if the treatment itself is a sham. > > New research shows placeboes can also benefit patients who have no > > faith in > > them.http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-effect-a-cur... > > > On Feb 23, 1:49 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't think we can rule out the power of placebo, but on the other > > > hand I can see it doing something like cancer no good at all. In fact > > > I recall there was a study done last year umm perhaps the year before > > > that? About the effect the power of a positive attitude can have on > > > cancer patients. There is no effect. > > > > On 22 Feb, 16:01, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The link to the study of physicians I posted months ago that concluded > > > > from them that as much as 80% of their treatments were consciously > > > > associated or centered upon a placebo effect I found astonishing but > > > > instructive. > > > > > On Feb 22, 7:32 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I'm with the MP's > > > > > > They argued the effectiveness was often unpredictable and involved a > > > > > deception by the medical establishment. (This makes sense if there is > > > > > any placebo effect with the treatment then there essentially is no > > > > > treatment) > > > > > > They also warned it could lead to a delay in diagnosis if symptoms > > > > > were cured but the underlying reason for them was not tackled. > > > > > (I would agree with that and have to add relapse may occur later on > > > > > with the lack of diagnostic information) > > > > > > The MPs also criticised the drugs regulator, the Medicines and > > > > > Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, for allowing medical claims to > > > > > be made. (I don't understand how medical claims could be made on such > > > > > treatment > > > > > > Now if the politicians would apply this type of scrutiny to all other > > > > > areas of running the country, I think things might well improve Lee! > > > > > > On Feb 22, 5:55 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > What do we make of this? > > > > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8524926.stm > > > > > > > Bloody good idea, what! > > > > > > > It somewhat restores my faith in politicians.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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