Homeopathic tip for the day. Diabetics should eat more yellow fin tuna from Japan.
dj On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:52 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > In real research one has to look at a massive number of sources. Many > papers, even in peer review these days are worthless, or as near as > damnit, especially if viewed without much knowledge of what is really > being done in the experiments. Antibiotics work in two main ways - > some as antiseptics that attack the germs, some that corral the germs > to allow the immune system time to form antibodies. When one sees the > results of really effective treatments being described pretty simple > experimentation and numbers makes this clear cut, a bit like the > effects of bleach or decent hygiene. Much science is not like this. > Orn is right we are being hornswaggled. > The answer to type 2 diabetes probably lies in dolphins - they can > switch it on and off. So we are after the genetic connection, hoping > to find the switch, hoping we have it and so on. I doubt praying will > help, but I'm also sure faith in giant pharma profits isn't much help > either. Lots of drugs work by getting the body to do something by > signalling. We may be learning to develop new ways of such > signalling. Placebo is interesting because it seems we can 'con' > ourselves into such 'signalling'. This is something we lose as we > differentiate, and stem cells don't. > > There is a classic con going on similar to what Orn is pointing to in > the political use of 'statistics'. The methods employed are > completely corrupted. Doctors are by no means 'immune'. The classic > con is to ask irrelevant populations what they think is happening and > not to ask the obviously relevant population or work out what makes > such a specific population relevant, different and so on. Some of > what's going on is so bad it's like giving acupuncture to people > bleeding to death and concluding it don't work, or giving it to groups > likely to survive and then asking the grateful relatives and patients > whether they think it does. > > We could have web sites where all relevant information is published > and available free so discussions and evaluation would not be done > without the basic data - yet we don't. > > On 24 Feb, 15:37, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> As is the case with science and other relative pursuits… I >> provisionally accept specific memes that appear to be rational and/or >> make sense to me for some reason or another until I learn otherwise. >> So, I’ve ‘asked’ a lot of questions about big pharma as well as things >> religious. The ongoing process finds me at specific points of >> understanding at any given moment that are always subject to change… >> moving up or down the scale. >> >> On Feb 24, 2:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Then ask a lot. ;¬) >> >> > On 23 Feb, 18:24, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > "... It's all about trust and questioning the motives of >> > > such soruces though isn't it?" - Lee >> >> > > Perhaps ....but that alone is asking a lot. >> >> > > On Feb 23, 3:54 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > Hah yes indeed OM, we can all find sources which prove black is white >> > > > and white is red. It's all about trust and questioning the motives of >> > > > such soruces though isn't it? >> >> > > > On 23 Feb, 11:44, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > One can find research to support almost any point of view Lee. >> >> > > > >http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=placebo+effect+cancer&hl=en&as_sd... >> >> > > > > A Wired UK article just told us a dirty little secret that the >> > > > > pharmaceutical drug world would rather keep quiet. That fact is: >> > > > > drugs >> > > > > are having a difficult time beating the placebo effect, and >> > > > > increasingly so. In fact, they're finding the placebo effect is >> > > > > getting stronger in people, making it more difficult for drugs to >> > > > > show >> > > > > any improvement over it. The credit for the increased placebo effect >> > > > > has been attributed to the increase in consumer advertising, which >> > > > > makes many consumers "believe" more in the drugs and their effects. >> > > > > Because the placebo effect is getting stronger, many widely >> > > > > distributed drugs would have had a hard time getting approval to >> > > > > begin >> > > > > with, if they were tested against today's placebo effect. Many drugs, >> > > > > notably Prozac, have also been shown to falter when compared to >> > > > > placebo - after they're already on the >> > > > > markethttp://www.naturalnews.com/027129_placebo_placebo_effect_drugs.html >> >> > > > > Psych Drug Shocker: Antidepressant Drugs Work No Better than Placebo; >> > > > > Big Pharma Hoax Finally >> > > > > Exposedhttp://www.naturalnews.com/022723_placebo_depression_antidepressants.... >> >> > > > > Is acupuncture nothing more than a dressed-up placebo effect? Not >> > > > > according to a recent joint MIT-Harvard Medical School clinical >> > > > > study. >> > > > > The study, published in the November 2008 issue of the peer-reviewed >> > > > > science journal Behavioural Brain Research, utilized functional >> > > > > magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) and positron emission tomography >> > > > > (PET) to examine the effects of acupuncture in relieving >> > > > > pain.http://www.naturalnews.com/025057_acupuncture_placebo_the_brain.html >> >> > > > > Even though placebos do not act on the disease, they seem to have an >> > > > > effect in about 1 out of 3 >> > > > > patients.http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3x_Placebo_Effect.asp >> >> > > > > Placebos have helped alleviate pain, depression, anxiety, Parkinson's >> > > > > disease, inflammatory disorders and even cancer. >> > > > > Placebo Effect: A Cure in the Mind >> > > > > Belief is powerful medicine, even if the treatment itself is a sham. >> > > > > New research shows placeboes can also benefit patients who have no >> > > > > faith in >> > > > > them.http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-effect-a-cur... >> >> > > > > On Feb 23, 1:49 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > I don't think we can rule out the power of placebo, but on the >> > > > > > other >> > > > > > hand I can see it doing something like cancer no good at all. In >> > > > > > fact >> > > > > > I recall there was a study done last year umm perhaps the year >> > > > > > before >> > > > > > that? About the effect the power of a positive attitude can have >> > > > > > on >> > > > > > cancer patients. There is no effect. >> >> > > > > > On 22 Feb, 16:01, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > The link to the study of physicians I posted months ago that >> > > > > > > concluded >> > > > > > > from them that as much as 80% of their treatments were >> > > > > > > consciously >> > > > > > > associated or centered upon a placebo effect I found astonishing >> > > > > > > but >> > > > > > > instructive. >> >> > > > > > > On Feb 22, 7:32 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > I'm with the MP's >> >> > > > > > > > They argued the effectiveness was often unpredictable and >> > > > > > > > involved a >> > > > > > > > deception by the medical establishment. (This makes sense if >> > > > > > > > there is >> > > > > > > > any placebo effect with the treatment then there essentially >> > > > > > > > is no >> > > > > > > > treatment) >> >> > > > > > > > They also warned it could lead to a delay in diagnosis if >> > > > > > > > symptoms >> > > > > > > > were cured but the underlying reason for them was not tackled. >> > > > > > > > (I would agree with that and have to add relapse may occur >> > > > > > > > later on >> > > > > > > > with the lack of diagnostic information) >> >> > > > > > > > The MPs also criticised the drugs regulator, the Medicines and >> > > > > > > > Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, for allowing medical >> > > > > > > > claims to >> > > > > > > > be made. (I don't understand how medical claims could be made >> > > > > > > > on such >> > > > > > > > treatment >> >> > > > > > > > Now if the politicians would apply this type of scrutiny to >> > > > > > > > all other >> > > > > > > > areas of running the country, I think things might well >> > > > > > > > improve Lee! >> >> > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 5:55 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > What do we make of this? >> >> > > > > > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8524926.stm >> >> > > > > > > > > Bloody good idea, what! >> >> > > > > > > > > It somewhat restores my faith in politicians.- Hide quoted >> > > > > > > > > text - >> >> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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