As is the case with science and other relative pursuits… I provisionally accept specific memes that appear to be rational and/or make sense to me for some reason or another until I learn otherwise. So, I’ve ‘asked’ a lot of questions about big pharma as well as things religious. The ongoing process finds me at specific points of understanding at any given moment that are always subject to change… moving up or down the scale.
On Feb 24, 2:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Then ask a lot. ;¬) > > On 23 Feb, 18:24, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "... It's all about trust and questioning the motives of > > such soruces though isn't it?" - Lee > > > Perhaps ....but that alone is asking a lot. > > > On Feb 23, 3:54 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hah yes indeed OM, we can all find sources which prove black is white > > > and white is red. It's all about trust and questioning the motives of > > > such soruces though isn't it? > > > > On 23 Feb, 11:44, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > One can find research to support almost any point of view Lee. > > > > >http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=placebo+effect+cancer&hl=en&as_sd... > > > > > A Wired UK article just told us a dirty little secret that the > > > > pharmaceutical drug world would rather keep quiet. That fact is: drugs > > > > are having a difficult time beating the placebo effect, and > > > > increasingly so. In fact, they're finding the placebo effect is > > > > getting stronger in people, making it more difficult for drugs to show > > > > any improvement over it. The credit for the increased placebo effect > > > > has been attributed to the increase in consumer advertising, which > > > > makes many consumers "believe" more in the drugs and their effects. > > > > Because the placebo effect is getting stronger, many widely > > > > distributed drugs would have had a hard time getting approval to begin > > > > with, if they were tested against today's placebo effect. Many drugs, > > > > notably Prozac, have also been shown to falter when compared to > > > > placebo - after they're already on the > > > > markethttp://www.naturalnews.com/027129_placebo_placebo_effect_drugs.html > > > > > Psych Drug Shocker: Antidepressant Drugs Work No Better than Placebo; > > > > Big Pharma Hoax Finally > > > > Exposedhttp://www.naturalnews.com/022723_placebo_depression_antidepressants.... > > > > > Is acupuncture nothing more than a dressed-up placebo effect? Not > > > > according to a recent joint MIT-Harvard Medical School clinical study. > > > > The study, published in the November 2008 issue of the peer-reviewed > > > > science journal Behavioural Brain Research, utilized functional > > > > magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) and positron emission tomography > > > > (PET) to examine the effects of acupuncture in relieving > > > > pain.http://www.naturalnews.com/025057_acupuncture_placebo_the_brain.html > > > > > Even though placebos do not act on the disease, they seem to have an > > > > effect in about 1 out of 3 > > > > patients.http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3x_Placebo_Effect.asp > > > > > Placebos have helped alleviate pain, depression, anxiety, Parkinson's > > > > disease, inflammatory disorders and even cancer. > > > > Placebo Effect: A Cure in the Mind > > > > Belief is powerful medicine, even if the treatment itself is a sham. > > > > New research shows placeboes can also benefit patients who have no > > > > faith in > > > > them.http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-effect-a-cur... > > > > > On Feb 23, 1:49 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't think we can rule out the power of placebo, but on the other > > > > > hand I can see it doing something like cancer no good at all. In fact > > > > > I recall there was a study done last year umm perhaps the year before > > > > > that? About the effect the power of a positive attitude can have on > > > > > cancer patients. There is no effect. > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 16:01, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The link to the study of physicians I posted months ago that > > > > > > concluded > > > > > > from them that as much as 80% of their treatments were consciously > > > > > > associated or centered upon a placebo effect I found astonishing but > > > > > > instructive. > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 7:32 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm with the MP's > > > > > > > > They argued the effectiveness was often unpredictable and > > > > > > > involved a > > > > > > > deception by the medical establishment. (This makes sense if > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > any placebo effect with the treatment then there essentially is no > > > > > > > treatment) > > > > > > > > They also warned it could lead to a delay in diagnosis if symptoms > > > > > > > were cured but the underlying reason for them was not tackled. > > > > > > > (I would agree with that and have to add relapse may occur later > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > with the lack of diagnostic information) > > > > > > > > The MPs also criticised the drugs regulator, the Medicines and > > > > > > > Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, for allowing medical > > > > > > > claims to > > > > > > > be made. (I don't understand how medical claims could be made on > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > treatment > > > > > > > > Now if the politicians would apply this type of scrutiny to all > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > areas of running the country, I think things might well improve > > > > > > > Lee! > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 5:55 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What do we make of this? > > > > > > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8524926.stm > > > > > > > > > Bloody good idea, what! > > > > > > > > > It somewhat restores my faith in politicians.- Hide quoted text > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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