On 8 Mar, 16:22, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > ;--) > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 7 Mar, 09:54, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hoi Molly now there is a question I have been pondering, > > > Confucius said years ago that to be in the presence of ones God is to be > > in > > > heaven. I also believe that the entirety of the universe is made from the > > > essence of God as I understand him. This makes me part of God but it does > > > not make me God. Because Everything is made from the essence of God this > > > connection creates a special bond between myself and God. This special > > > conection also applies to everything else, whether we want to admit to it > > or > > > not. It also creates a special bond between each other. a quote comes to > > > mind "Ask not for whom the bell tolls for it tolls for thee." > > > > Logic follows that because I am in the presence of my God as I understand > > > him. I must be in heaven. I also believe that when we die we return this > > > physical body to our creator (God) and go through a resurrection into a > > new > > > life. Now the catch comes, how we respond to our world (God) in this life > > > determines the quality of our life in the next life. and there will be no > > > hiding or denying our position. > > > > *Rejoice for the kingdom of God is with us today!!!* > > > Allan > > > Your position is very similar to mine, although what you call > > 'essence' I refer to as 'energy'. I do that for a very good reason, > > though. Science has no problem with energy as being 'neither created > > nor destroyed' yet it has a problem with a God that is defined in the > > same way. But, as you say, if one is made of the other, then the > > difference is terminological semantics. > > You are right a problem of how you express the concept as it is not an easy > one to express.. > > > As for this "how we > > respond...determining the quality of our life in the next life" > > I do not see it as the next life because it is just a continuation of > this life.. you no longer have your physical body because you return it to > the creator . >
True. I agree. Consciousness, in my physics, doesn't exist, per se, in this 4-D universe, rather, the interface to it exists here. > > , that is a very Islamic concept. > > It is not just Islamic and they did not originate it.. > Again, true. And Muslims would be happy to agree with that. You have to go back to Abraham and, in truth, Noah and Adam, before all. It's a Judeo/Christian/Islamic concept, because it is described that way in those scriptures revealed by "The God of Abraham". > > > > > > If string theory is true, it allows for > > us, as physical bodies, to exist throughout these other non space-time > > dimensions and move through them as we move through those we sense. > > So, you're not far off there, either, although I wouldn't say that you > > are IN heaven, just that you pass through it (and hell) while you > > exist here, although at a level which is completely undetectable. The > > bond of which you speak, I refer to as "that we are an extension of > > the energy that is" and that that energy is God's, as there is nothing > > else. As for your last statement, how can you hide from that which is > > omnipresent and how can you hide your knowledge from God when it isn't > > your knowledge, but His, that you have? The fact that the space-time > > continum contains a permanent record of all that we have done is a > > clear enough record to refer to and it will last for all time...by > > definition. > > > Pat To me the only important thing is God and my relationship with him and > > how to enhance it.. It is enough for me, my experience is that many people > try to explain what they can not explain the result is a mess of confusing > beliefs I think that is because they do not know what they are talking > about. For me I am in love with my God as I understand him and am willing > to share what I know. > Sounds fair enough to me. I do know that I can ramble on about the finer details, but the general concepts you hold I can back up with my physics. > Over the years He (non gender) has show me wonders beyond what I could even > imagine. It is hard to express sometimes what has happened.. I know God is > real,, and I know everyone else has exactly the same connection.. there is > a lot to be said.. but I really have few questions,, the problem with me > is if I ask the answers tend to come.. the next question is do I really > want the answer. I can, so easily, relate to that. I, too, get answers, although I ask about the finer details. And the answers, as you imply, can be heavy. I suspect you do want the questions, as there is no other reason to ask. I also approve of your clarification that 'He' is a non-gender-specific word. That One is beyond gender, which is why He can't have children. Although all creatures are, in a metaphorical sense, His children, none are, in reality, because they do not grow up to be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. If any did, there'd be chaos, as how can you have two omnipotent entities? Logic doesn't allow for it. > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 6, 12:06 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IS TRUE EVEN THOUGH YOU CANNOT PROVE IT?" > > > > > > Great minds can sometimes guess the truth before they have either the > > > > > evidence or arguments for it (Diderot called it having the "esprit de > > > > > divination"). What do you believe is true even though you cannot > > prove > > > > > it? > > > > > This clip is better! > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqViPnpVs54&feature=related > > > > > dj > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > <minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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