On 9 Mar, 15:32, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Whoa Pat > > > That One is beyond gender, which is why He > > can't have children. Although all creatures are, in a metaphorical > > sense, His children, none are, in reality, because they do not grow up > > to be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. If any did, there'd be > > chaos, as how can you have two omnipotent entities? Logic doesn't > > allow for it. > > With your statement you just separated God from the rest of the universe! > To me that is one of greatest mistakes made by the religions of the world. > I do not want to separate God as I understand him from from his universe ,, > I only want to be part of it although it is only the tinest part.. as long > as I am part that. That is my dream > ..... > > Okay if you read your statement carefully Or better yet as I read it you > are saying God can not have children, there is nothing metaphorical about > Gods children. When you have a child Pat both you and the woman that is > involved are nothing more than the tool the Father Creator uses to bring > about the new child's life into the universe. As I watch new life being born > into the universe whether it is a baby an ant or insect, or even an > entire galaxy I can only sit in awe at the skill and abilities of God. > > His children, none are, in reality, because they do not grow up > to be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. > > When you start making statements like this you are in my mind separating God > from his universe. Though it is suttle like placing God else where l (he is > in heaven) in reality you are separating yourself from God. or placing > limits like (because they do not grow up to be...) > Allan >
I have no problems with limiting God. He cannot produce a spherical cube, for example. Or, more simply put, God cannot NOT be God. There are other limits as well, and they are all logical. In fact, all of the negative commandments in the 10 commandments can be derived as being based on things that God cannot do, therefore we SHOULD not do. For example, God cannot create, in any single object, a thing which fairly represents the entirety of God, therefore, we should not create nor worship idols. My statement that God cannot have children stands. That is, he cannot beget an entity that can become omnipotent as there cannot be, logically, two things that are omnipotent, No separations involved, only logic. One cannot be two. That's not to say that One cannot 'appear' to be countless. THAT can be done via extensions of the One and a given geometry. > > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 8 Mar, 20:42, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well pat one of the things I can not explain is what is beyond. . . > > > > > True. I agree. Consciousness, in my physics, doesn't exist, per se, > > > > in this 4-D universe, rather, the interface to it exists here. > > > > The concept of a 4--D universeis kind of strange because it fails to > > allow > > > you to be everywhere at the same time.. > > > > > > > , that is a very Islamic concept. > > > > > > It is not just Islamic and they did not originate it.. > > > > > well .. > > > > Again, true. And Muslims would be happy to agree with that. You have > > > > to go back to Abraham and, in truth, Noah and Adam, before all. It's > > > > a Judeo/Christian/Islamic concept, because it is described that way in > > > > those scriptures revealed by "The God of Abraham". > > > > from what i have read of the koran they will not like my assessment .. > > > there is to much man in it people trying to be important.. and expand > > what > > > is said originally > > > > > > > If string theory is true, it allows for > > > > > > us, as physical bodies, to exist throughout these other non > > space-time > > > > > > dimensions and move through them as we move through those we sense. > > > > > > So, you're not far off there, either, although I wouldn't say that > > you > > > > > > are IN heaven, just that you pass through it (and hell) while you > > > > > > exist here, although at a level which is completely undetectable. > > The > > > > > > bond of which you speak, I refer to as "that we are an extension of > > > > > > the energy that is" and that that energy is God's, as there is > > nothing > > > > > > else. As for your last statement, how can you hide from that which > > is > > > > > > omnipresent and how can you hide your knowledge from God when it > > isn't > > > > > > your knowledge, but His, that you have? The fact that the > > space-time > > > > > > continum contains a permanent record of all that we have done is a > > > > > > clear enough record to refer to and it will last for all time...by > > > > > > definition. > > > > > > > Pat To me the only important thing is God and my relationship with > > him > > > > and > > > > > > how to enhance it.. It is enough for me, my experience is that many > > > > people > > > > > try to explain what they can not explain the result is a mess of > > > > confusing > > > > > beliefs I think that is because they do not know what they are > > talking > > > > > about. For me I am in love with my God as I understand him and am > > > > willing > > > > > to share what I know. > > > > > LOL > > > > Sounds fair enough to me. I do know that I can ramble on about the > > > > finer details, but the general concepts you hold I can back up with my > > > > physics. > > > > > True but at least it is interesting reading.. > > > > > Over the years He (non gender) has show me wonders beyond what I > > could > > > > even > > > > > imagine. It is hard to express sometimes what has happened.. I know > > God > > > > is > > > > > real,, and I know everyone else has exactly the same connection.. > > there > > > > is > > > > > a lot to be said.. but I really have few questions,, the problem > > with > > > > me > > > > > is if I ask the answers tend to come.. the next question is do I > > > > really > > > > > want the answer. > > > > good > > > > > I can, so easily, relate to that. I, too, get answers, although I ask > > > > about the finer details. And the answers, as you imply, can be > > > > heavy. I suspect you do want the questions, as there is no other > > > > reason to ask. > > > > I follow what you have to say and I know you can relate. > > > > > I also approve of your clarification that 'He' is a > > > > non-gender-specific word. > > > > He is a common expression with out gender it allows for simplification > > > > Whoa Pat > > > > > That One is beyond gender, which is why He > > > > can't have children. Although all creatures are, in a metaphorical > > > > sense, His children, none are, in reality, because they do not grow up > > > > to be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. If any did, there'd be > > > > chaos, as how can you have two omnipotent entities? Logic doesn't > > > > allow for it. > > > > With your statement you just separated God from the rest of the > > universe! > > > Would you care to explain how I separated God from the universe? What > > part of my statement suggest that to you? It is not a belief of mine > > that God is separate from the universe, so, if I said something that > > you thought implied that, it was unintentional. In fact, I describe > > all parts of the universe as 'extensions' OF God, thereby joining > > every aspect of it to Him. If it was the phrase "all creatures > > are...His children", it was pure metaphor, in that, they are creations > > of His. The method of their creation, though, is through extension of > > His substance/essence, what I and science call 'energy', and there is > > no dismemberment of Deity involved. In fact, you can't be cut off > > either, as that would degrade the quality of omnipresence, which > > cannot be done if omnipresence is to be maintained. > > > > To me that is one of greatest mistakes made by the religions of the > > world. > > > I do not want to separate God as I understand him from from his universe > > ,, > > > I only want to be part of it although it is only the tinest part.. as > > long > > > as I am part that. That is my dream > > > > Allan > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
