Maybe it is enough to learn tolerance for another point of view. I have changed some major opinions since 2000- just from reading other posts.//I have thought our government very stupid all along for not charging a minor fee for e-mail and other free services but it's too late now and even those print media will have troubles if they start charging. I also think it was unwise to allow user names that couldn't be traced although poor rigsy would probably be in the slammer for some of her political views and it is protection for those in countries that do not allow freedom of opinion/speech.//I don't think we need worry about "freedom fighters" on the internet- most are just armchair generals.
On Mar 8, 3:53 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > "we like to work vs other similar internet forums" > The problem with the versus motivation is that there is no other > productive motivation left should the versus orientation disappear. I > mean, can't you see what has been happening to this group since the > pink bubble dreams were being poured into the threads? People go and > find their freedom fighter colleagues elsewhere. > > On 8 Mrz., 17:40, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hah I would go further and declare that all people fall into the > > confines of their culture. Seemingly includeing those of us that are > > rather counter culture orintated. > > > I would say though that we do have a culture here, we only need to > > look at the 'rules' here to see that a certian amount of respect is > > required for each other, that it is fine to attack whatever idea you > > like here as long as the attack Is on th eidea and not the person. > > Hah how many newbies do we get here that tell of their supprise on how > > we like to work vs other similar internet forums? For example. > > > We have seen also that it requires a period of time for some of these > > newcomers to get used to this. Suggesting of course that such is not > > widedly prevelant throughout Internet Forums. Indeed I think we can > > all attest to this? > > > On 8 Mar, 16:12, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I guess in that sense it is true. I'm thinking though, that a true > > > global culture would exist only from the view point of an > > > extraterrestrial as the earth culture, the culture of "Earthlings". > > > > The Earthling Culture, coming soon to a theater near you! > > > > I don't know that Minds Eye has a definite culture but just the > > > meeting of minds of different cultures. I wouldn't view us as a > > > distinct culture but just that we might be part of an Internet > > > Culture; we are not a culture of our own. > > > > By genetic culture I mean cultures that are derived from ethnicity, > > > where in most cases being born into and growing up within that culture > > > will dictate, with exceptions, behavioral patterns. I think cultures > > > can have a propensity towards specific behavior, which can and will be > > > affected by extenuating circumstance, that is understood. But > > > cultures will have their peculiarities and unique characteristics > > > regardless of the blending into a larger culture, like trolls in the > > > Internet culture. We can broadly identify the Internet Culture but > > > within the culture exists the trolls, flamers, etc. To integrate > > > cultures we have to see beyond cultural relativism which lends to > > > cultural stereotyping. In this sense maybe McKenna is correct, that > > > culture in many ways is not your friend. Attitudes can change > > > drastically in a room full of people who know nothing about each other > > > as soon as each shares their cultural heritage. McKenna makes a > > > strong point about not having to live up to ones cultural heritage and > > > I agree with that. Unfortunately most people fall into the confines > > > of their culture. > > > > On Mar 8, 8:08 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes Slip I agree. Well I agree that Global culture can only consist > > > > of multiple cultures. Well at the start anyway. > > > > > This is not a problem though, as Molly points out in the post a few > > > > above this one. There are cultures everywhere, Minds Eye has a > > > > definate cultre. > > > > > So with this in mind I find that I have to disagree that culture is > > > > somehow genetic. > > > > > Rather like the old argument about 'gender roles' I think there is > > > > scope to belive that culture is learnt behaviour and does not have any > > > > genetic basis. > > > > > Rigsy below also highlights for us the conept of teen culture. This > > > > certianly changes from generation to generation. > > > > > On 8 Mar, 13:12, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > We can strive for a global culture but one can only abandon the > > > > > culture of origin to a degree, hence we have African Americans and > > > > > American Indians. We can easily see that ones culture can dominate > > > > > behavior, something of a predictor of style and course in life, a > > > > > stereotypical behavior but no matter how much one can break away from > > > > > it there remains the cultural traits ingrained in the person, possibly > > > > > genetically bound. Global culture could only consist of multiple > > > > > cultures. > > > > > > On Mar 8, 6:38 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It's a hard one alright. > > > > > > > I belive that culture is ultimatly divisive, yet we are all cuaght > > > > > > up > > > > > > in it. It defines us, perhaps then we should be striveing for the > > > > > > global culture? > > > > > > > On 7 Mar, 09:57, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I tend to agree culture is not our frien, yet it gives us the > > > > > > > foundation > > > > > > > from which we need to examine our lives. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > "Culture is not your friend, no matter what your culture is. > > > > > > > > And this > > > > > > > > is sort of not a Politically Correct thing to say, because in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > present ambience, (sort of, those who haven't gotten the word) > > > > > > > > there's > > > > > > > > a lot of attention to recovering our ethnic roots and to > > > > > > > > expressing > > > > > > > > our unique ethnicity, and so forth and so on -- I think that's > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > beginning of understanding. But all terms that stress ethnicity > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > words applied to groups of people. Have you ever noticed that? > > > > > > > > Have > > > > > > > > you ever noticed that you're not a group of people, you're a > > > > > > > > person? > > > > > > > > So you may be "Jewish", you may be "Black", you may be this, > > > > > > > > you may > > > > > > > > be that but there is no obligation to take upon yourself the > > > > > > > > generalized quality of these things, because the generalized > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > belong to thousands of people examined at a time. If you > > > > > > > > misunderstand > > > > > > > > that you become a caricature. You act out your ethnicity as a > > > > > > > > caricature. > > > > > > > > > So culture is not your friend, ideology is not your friend... > > > > > > > > Who's > > > > > > > > your friend? Well, to my mind, the felt presence of immediate > > > > > > > > experience is the surest dimension, the surest guide that you > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > possibly have. The felt presence of immediate experience. > > > > > > > > Feeling is > > > > > > > > primary. All rationalization and intellectualization and > > > > > > > > analysis is > > > > > > > > secondary, and comes out of culture. No matter what your > > > > > > > > culture is, > > > > > > > > it has answers. Cultures thinks up answers. So a child asks its > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > a question, like, "Where do we go when we die?" or, "Why does > > > > > > > > Daddy go > > > > > > > > to work?" Cultural answers are always provided, but nobody > > > > > > > > knows the > > > > > > > > real answers to these questions -- that's outside of culture. So > > > > > > > > coming to terms and fully expressing your culture is like a > > > > > > > > stage in > > > > > > > > development. And then beyond that lies the aspiration of the > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > presence of immediate experience, and its implications. It's a > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > hard thing to deal with and to do when you are poisoned with > > > > > > > > ideology. > > > > > > > > And ideologies are very difficult to deconstruct and rid > > > > > > > > yourself of > > > > > > > > through a simple talking therapy of some sort, through simply > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to work it out. The best antidote for ideology is to raise the > > > > > > > > intensity of the felt presence of experience to such > > > > > > > > excruciating > > > > > > > > levels that it simply vaporizes ideological illusion. And this > > > > > > > > is what > > > > > > > > psychedelics are for, I think. And it also explains (if you've > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > wondered) the incredible phobia of these things on the part of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > establishment, the incredibly deep alarm that these things > > > > > > > > trigger in > > > > > > > > people" - Terence McKenna > > > > > > > > >http://www.salvia-divinorum-scotland.co.uk/quotes/mckenna/cultureisno... > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > > > > > > Google Groups > > > > > > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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