Well, McKenna would know about escapism (and search for self), as he was part of Timothy Leary's group, and the US counter culture of the 60s and 70s. In reading his material, it is not hard to see the influences, and, in a phenomenological way, I can understand his need to break free of culture to realize what is essential. Yet, I don't think this ever removes us from culture. It may, however, qualify our dynamic with it and our experience.
On Mar 12, 8:16 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Humans need escapism, it seems, to make actual life tolerable. > > On Mar 12, 4:46 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Or a subculture! > > > On 10 Mar, 19:04, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "Each group has an emotional, visual, material, relational etc., > > > environment, and the culture can be felt in the tone of experience > > > someone from the outside feels when entering."- Molly > > > > An individual experience can be positive or negative and therefore > > > biased and in-apt to judge. This thread reminds me much of the one Lee > > > started about divine messages that transcend culture. I do, however, > > > like the idea of hallucinogenic drugs doing the trick. Though one > > > could say this is also a culture! > > > > On Mar 10, 9:14 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes, there are commonalities in all cultures, and each of us is a part > > > > of many groups and effected/affect the cultures of them. Relationship > > > > is dynamic, and the culture of every group (two or more) that we > > > > belong to is defined by the quality and processes of the interaction. > > > > We agree (or not), we adapt (or not), we collaborate or obstruct. > > > > Each group has an emotional, visual, material, relational etc., > > > > environment, and the culture can be felt in the tone of experience > > > > someone from the outside feels when entering. > > > > > On Mar 9, 5:14 pm, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Molly, I like how you expressed this subject. Somethings in every > > > > > culture > > > > > is the same in the basic. I said some not all. But I think different > > > > > culture's can be shared and be very good in education. On a personal > > > > > note > > > > > with someone in another culture to me is almost the same in the > > > > > feelings,such as children, and haveing a loving heart towards one > > > > > another. > > > > > This is what lays down the religion's and belief's. Say there was 20 > > > > > of you > > > > > from different culture's ,and all of them are on a air plane and it > > > > > starts > > > > > going down and crashes in the moutain's and all had to pull together > > > > > in > > > > > order to make it. And in this experince there was things that was > > > > > shared > > > > > and would always be remenbered...This is just an example. I think > > > > > this is > > > > > what you are saying is it not? > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Meh! I think you place too much emphasis on the vs, I really didn't > > > > > > mean it that way. > > > > > > > On 8 Mar, 21:53, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "we like to work vs other similar internet forums" > > > > > > > The problem with the versus motivation is that there is no other > > > > > > > productive motivation left should the versus orientation > > > > > > > disappear. I > > > > > > > mean, can't you see what has been happening to this group since > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > pink bubble dreams were being poured into the threads? People go > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > find their freedom fighter colleagues elsewhere. > > > > > > > > On 8 Mrz., 17:40, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hah I would go further and declare that all people fall into the > > > > > > > > confines of their culture. Seemingly includeing those of us > > > > > > > > that are > > > > > > > > rather counter culture orintated. > > > > > > > > > I would say though that we do have a culture here, we only need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > look at the 'rules' here to see that a certian amount of > > > > > > > > respect is > > > > > > > > required for each other, that it is fine to attack whatever > > > > > > > > idea you > > > > > > > > like here as long as the attack Is on th eidea and not the > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > Hah how many newbies do we get here that tell of their supprise > > > > > > > > on how > > > > > > > > we like to work vs other similar internet forums? For example. > > > > > > > > > We have seen also that it requires a period of time for some of > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > newcomers to get used to this. Suggesting of course that such > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > widedly prevelant throughout Internet Forums. Indeed I think > > > > > > > > we can > > > > > > > > all attest to this? > > > > > > > > > On 8 Mar, 16:12, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I guess in that sense it is true. I'm thinking though, that > > > > > > > > > a true > > > > > > > > > global culture would exist only from the view point of an > > > > > > > > > extraterrestrial as the earth culture, the culture of > > > > > > > > > "Earthlings". > > > > > > > > > > The Earthling Culture, coming soon to a theater near you! > > > > > > > > > > I don't know that Minds Eye has a definite culture but just > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > meeting of minds of different cultures. I wouldn't view us > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > distinct culture but just that we might be part of an Internet > > > > > > > > > Culture; we are not a culture of our own. > > > > > > > > > > By genetic culture I mean cultures that are derived from > > > > > > > > > ethnicity, > > > > > > > > > where in most cases being born into and growing up within that > > > > > > culture > > > > > > > > > will dictate, with exceptions, behavioral patterns. I think > > > > > > > > > cultures > > > > > > > > > can have a propensity towards specific behavior, which can > > > > > > > > > and will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > affected by extenuating circumstance, that is understood. But > > > > > > > > > cultures will have their peculiarities and unique > > > > > > > > > characteristics > > > > > > > > > regardless of the blending into a larger culture, like trolls > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > Internet culture. We can broadly identify the Internet > > > > > > > > > Culture but > > > > > > > > > within the culture exists the trolls, flamers, etc. To > > > > > > > > > integrate > > > > > > > > > cultures we have to see beyond cultural relativism which > > > > > > > > > lends to > > > > > > > > > cultural stereotyping. In this sense maybe McKenna is > > > > > > > > > correct, that > > > > > > > > > culture in many ways is not your friend. Attitudes can change > > > > > > > > > drastically in a room full of people who know nothing about > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > as soon as each shares their cultural heritage. McKenna > > > > > > > > > makes a > > > > > > > > > strong point about not having to live up to ones cultural > > > > > > > > > heritage > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > I agree with that. Unfortunately most people fall into the > > > > > > > > > confines > > > > > > > > > of their culture. > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 8:08 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Slip I agree. Well I agree that Global culture can only > > > > > > consist > > > > > > > > > > of multiple cultures. Well at the start anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > This is not a problem though, as Molly points out in the > > > > > > > > > > post a few > > > > > > > > > > above this one. There are cultures everywhere, Minds Eye > > > > > > > > > > has a > > > > > > > > > > definate cultre. > > > > > > > > > > > So with this in mind I find that I have to disagree that > > > > > > > > > > culture is > > > > > > > > > > somehow genetic. > > > > > > > > > > > Rather like the old argument about 'gender roles' I think > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > scope to belive that culture is learnt behaviour and does > > > > > > > > > > not have > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > genetic basis. > > > > > > > > > > > Rigsy below also highlights for us the conept of teen > > > > > > > > > > culture. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > certianly changes from generation to generation. > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Mar, 13:12, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We can strive for a global culture but one can only > > > > > > > > > > > abandon the > > > > > > > > > > > culture of origin to a degree, hence we have African > > > > > > > > > > > Americans > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > American Indians. We can easily see that ones culture can > > > > > > dominate > > > > > > > > > > > behavior, something of a predictor of style and course in > > > > > > > > > > > life, a > > > > > > > > > > > stereotypical behavior but no matter how much one can > > > > > > > > > > > break away > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > it there remains the cultural traits ingrained in the > > > > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > possibly > > > > > > > > > > > genetically bound. Global culture could only consist of > > > > > > > > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > > > cultures. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 6:38 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a hard one alright. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive that culture is ultimatly divisive, yet we are > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > cuaght up > > > > > > > > > > > > in it. It defines us, perhaps then we should be > > > > > > > > > > > > striveing for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > global culture? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mar, 09:57, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tend to agree culture is not our frien, yet it > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives us the > > > > > > foundation > > > > > > > > > > > > > from which we need to examine our lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Molly > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Culture is not your friend, no matter what your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > culture > > > > > > is. And this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is sort of not a Politically Correct thing to say, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present ambience, (sort of, those who haven't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gotten the > > > > > > word) there's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a lot of attention to recovering our ethnic roots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > expressing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our unique ethnicity, and so forth and so on -- I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > that's the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beginning of understanding. But all terms that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stress > > > > > > ethnicity are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words applied to groups of people. Have you ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed > > > > > > that? Have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you ever noticed that you're not a group of people, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're > > > > > > a person? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you may be "Jewish", you may be "Black", you may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > this, you may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be that but there is no obligation to take upon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generalized quality of these things, because the > > > > > > generalized qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > belong to thousands of people examined at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you > > > > > > misunderstand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you become a caricature. You act out your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethnicity as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > caricature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So culture is not your friend, ideology is not your > > > > > > friend... Who's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your friend? Well, to my mind, the felt presence of > > > > > > immediate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience is the surest dimension, the surest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guide that > > > > > > you can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibly have. The felt presence of immediate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > Feeling is > > > ... > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
