"Each group has an emotional, visual, material, relational etc., environment, and the culture can be felt in the tone of experience someone from the outside feels when entering."- Molly
An individual experience can be positive or negative and therefore biased and in-apt to judge. This thread reminds me much of the one Lee started about divine messages that transcend culture. I do, however, like the idea of hallucinogenic drugs doing the trick. Though one could say this is also a culture! On Mar 10, 9:14 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, there are commonalities in all cultures, and each of us is a part > of many groups and effected/affect the cultures of them. Relationship > is dynamic, and the culture of every group (two or more) that we > belong to is defined by the quality and processes of the interaction. > We agree (or not), we adapt (or not), we collaborate or obstruct. > Each group has an emotional, visual, material, relational etc., > environment, and the culture can be felt in the tone of experience > someone from the outside feels when entering. > > On Mar 9, 5:14 pm, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Molly, I like how you expressed this subject. Somethings in every culture > > is the same in the basic. I said some not all. But I think different > > culture's can be shared and be very good in education. On a personal note > > with someone in another culture to me is almost the same in the > > feelings,such as children, and haveing a loving heart towards one another. > > This is what lays down the religion's and belief's. Say there was 20 of you > > from different culture's ,and all of them are on a air plane and it starts > > going down and crashes in the moutain's and all had to pull together in > > order to make it. And in this experince there was things that was shared > > and would always be remenbered...This is just an example. I think this is > > what you are saying is it not? > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Meh! I think you place too much emphasis on the vs, I really didn't > > > mean it that way. > > > > On 8 Mar, 21:53, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "we like to work vs other similar internet forums" > > > > The problem with the versus motivation is that there is no other > > > > productive motivation left should the versus orientation disappear. I > > > > mean, can't you see what has been happening to this group since the > > > > pink bubble dreams were being poured into the threads? People go and > > > > find their freedom fighter colleagues elsewhere. > > > > > On 8 Mrz., 17:40, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hah I would go further and declare that all people fall into the > > > > > confines of their culture. Seemingly includeing those of us that are > > > > > rather counter culture orintated. > > > > > > I would say though that we do have a culture here, we only need to > > > > > look at the 'rules' here to see that a certian amount of respect is > > > > > required for each other, that it is fine to attack whatever idea you > > > > > like here as long as the attack Is on th eidea and not the person. > > > > > Hah how many newbies do we get here that tell of their supprise on how > > > > > we like to work vs other similar internet forums? For example. > > > > > > We have seen also that it requires a period of time for some of these > > > > > newcomers to get used to this. Suggesting of course that such is not > > > > > widedly prevelant throughout Internet Forums. Indeed I think we can > > > > > all attest to this? > > > > > > On 8 Mar, 16:12, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I guess in that sense it is true. I'm thinking though, that a true > > > > > > global culture would exist only from the view point of an > > > > > > extraterrestrial as the earth culture, the culture of "Earthlings". > > > > > > > The Earthling Culture, coming soon to a theater near you! > > > > > > > I don't know that Minds Eye has a definite culture but just the > > > > > > meeting of minds of different cultures. I wouldn't view us as a > > > > > > distinct culture but just that we might be part of an Internet > > > > > > Culture; we are not a culture of our own. > > > > > > > By genetic culture I mean cultures that are derived from ethnicity, > > > > > > where in most cases being born into and growing up within that > > > culture > > > > > > will dictate, with exceptions, behavioral patterns. I think > > > > > > cultures > > > > > > can have a propensity towards specific behavior, which can and will > > > be > > > > > > affected by extenuating circumstance, that is understood. But > > > > > > cultures will have their peculiarities and unique characteristics > > > > > > regardless of the blending into a larger culture, like trolls in the > > > > > > Internet culture. We can broadly identify the Internet Culture but > > > > > > within the culture exists the trolls, flamers, etc. To integrate > > > > > > cultures we have to see beyond cultural relativism which lends to > > > > > > cultural stereotyping. In this sense maybe McKenna is correct, that > > > > > > culture in many ways is not your friend. Attitudes can change > > > > > > drastically in a room full of people who know nothing about each > > > other > > > > > > as soon as each shares their cultural heritage. McKenna makes a > > > > > > strong point about not having to live up to ones cultural heritage > > > and > > > > > > I agree with that. Unfortunately most people fall into the confines > > > > > > of their culture. > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 8:08 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes Slip I agree. Well I agree that Global culture can only > > > consist > > > > > > > of multiple cultures. Well at the start anyway. > > > > > > > > This is not a problem though, as Molly points out in the post a > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > above this one. There are cultures everywhere, Minds Eye has a > > > > > > > definate cultre. > > > > > > > > So with this in mind I find that I have to disagree that culture > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > somehow genetic. > > > > > > > > Rather like the old argument about 'gender roles' I think there is > > > > > > > scope to belive that culture is learnt behaviour and does not have > > > any > > > > > > > genetic basis. > > > > > > > > Rigsy below also highlights for us the conept of teen culture. > > > This > > > > > > > certianly changes from generation to generation. > > > > > > > > On 8 Mar, 13:12, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > We can strive for a global culture but one can only abandon the > > > > > > > > culture of origin to a degree, hence we have African Americans > > > and > > > > > > > > American Indians. We can easily see that ones culture can > > > dominate > > > > > > > > behavior, something of a predictor of style and course in life, > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > stereotypical behavior but no matter how much one can break away > > > from > > > > > > > > it there remains the cultural traits ingrained in the person, > > > possibly > > > > > > > > genetically bound. Global culture could only consist of > > > > > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > cultures. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 6:38 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It's a hard one alright. > > > > > > > > > > I belive that culture is ultimatly divisive, yet we are all > > > cuaght up > > > > > > > > > in it. It defines us, perhaps then we should be striveing for > > > the > > > > > > > > > global culture? > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mar, 09:57, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I tend to agree culture is not our frien, yet it gives us > > > > > > > > > > the > > > foundation > > > > > > > > > > from which we need to examine our lives. > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Molly <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "Culture is not your friend, no matter what your culture > > > is. And this > > > > > > > > > > > is sort of not a Politically Correct thing to say, because > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > present ambience, (sort of, those who haven't gotten the > > > word) there's > > > > > > > > > > > a lot of attention to recovering our ethnic roots and to > > > expressing > > > > > > > > > > > our unique ethnicity, and so forth and so on -- I think > > > that's the > > > > > > > > > > > beginning of understanding. But all terms that stress > > > ethnicity are > > > > > > > > > > > words applied to groups of people. Have you ever noticed > > > that? Have > > > > > > > > > > > you ever noticed that you're not a group of people, you're > > > a person? > > > > > > > > > > > So you may be "Jewish", you may be "Black", you may be > > > this, you may > > > > > > > > > > > be that but there is no obligation to take upon yourself > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > generalized quality of these things, because the > > > generalized qualities > > > > > > > > > > > belong to thousands of people examined at a time. If you > > > misunderstand > > > > > > > > > > > that you become a caricature. You act out your ethnicity > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > caricature. > > > > > > > > > > > > So culture is not your friend, ideology is not your > > > friend... Who's > > > > > > > > > > > your friend? Well, to my mind, the felt presence of > > > immediate > > > > > > > > > > > experience is the surest dimension, the surest guide that > > > you can > > > > > > > > > > > possibly have. The felt presence of immediate experience. > > > Feeling is > > > > > > > > > > > primary. All rationalization and intellectualization and > > > analysis is > > > > > > > > > > > secondary, and comes out of culture. No matter what your > > > culture is, > > > > > > > > > > > it has answers. Cultures thinks up answers. So a child > > > > > > > > > > > asks > > > its mother > > > > > > > > > > > a question, like, "Where do we go when we die?" or, "Why > > > does Daddy go > > > > > > > > > > > to work?" Cultural answers are always provided, but nobody > > > knows the > > > > > > > > > > > real answers to these questions -- that's outside of > > > culture. So > > > > > > > > > > > coming to terms and fully expressing your culture is like > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > stage in > > > > > > > > > > > development. And then beyond that lies the aspiration of > > > the felt > > > > > > > > > > > presence of immediate experience, and its implications. > > > It's a very > > > > > > > > > > > hard thing to deal with and to do when you are poisoned > > > with ideology. > > > > > > > > > > > And ideologies are very difficult to deconstruct and rid > > > yourself of > > > > > > > > > > > through a simple talking therapy of some sort, through > > > simply trying > > > > > > > > > > > to work it out. The best antidote for ideology is to raise > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > intensity of the felt presence of experience to such > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
