Meh! I think you place too much emphasis on the vs, I really didn't mean it that way.
On 8 Mar, 21:53, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > "we like to work vs other similar internet forums" > The problem with the versus motivation is that there is no other > productive motivation left should the versus orientation disappear. I > mean, can't you see what has been happening to this group since the > pink bubble dreams were being poured into the threads? People go and > find their freedom fighter colleagues elsewhere. > > On 8 Mrz., 17:40, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hah I would go further and declare that all people fall into the > > confines of their culture. Seemingly includeing those of us that are > > rather counter culture orintated. > > > I would say though that we do have a culture here, we only need to > > look at the 'rules' here to see that a certian amount of respect is > > required for each other, that it is fine to attack whatever idea you > > like here as long as the attack Is on th eidea and not the person. > > Hah how many newbies do we get here that tell of their supprise on how > > we like to work vs other similar internet forums? For example. > > > We have seen also that it requires a period of time for some of these > > newcomers to get used to this. Suggesting of course that such is not > > widedly prevelant throughout Internet Forums. Indeed I think we can > > all attest to this? > > > On 8 Mar, 16:12, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I guess in that sense it is true. I'm thinking though, that a true > > > global culture would exist only from the view point of an > > > extraterrestrial as the earth culture, the culture of "Earthlings". > > > > The Earthling Culture, coming soon to a theater near you! > > > > I don't know that Minds Eye has a definite culture but just the > > > meeting of minds of different cultures. I wouldn't view us as a > > > distinct culture but just that we might be part of an Internet > > > Culture; we are not a culture of our own. > > > > By genetic culture I mean cultures that are derived from ethnicity, > > > where in most cases being born into and growing up within that culture > > > will dictate, with exceptions, behavioral patterns. I think cultures > > > can have a propensity towards specific behavior, which can and will be > > > affected by extenuating circumstance, that is understood. But > > > cultures will have their peculiarities and unique characteristics > > > regardless of the blending into a larger culture, like trolls in the > > > Internet culture. We can broadly identify the Internet Culture but > > > within the culture exists the trolls, flamers, etc. To integrate > > > cultures we have to see beyond cultural relativism which lends to > > > cultural stereotyping. In this sense maybe McKenna is correct, that > > > culture in many ways is not your friend. Attitudes can change > > > drastically in a room full of people who know nothing about each other > > > as soon as each shares their cultural heritage. McKenna makes a > > > strong point about not having to live up to ones cultural heritage and > > > I agree with that. Unfortunately most people fall into the confines > > > of their culture. > > > > On Mar 8, 8:08 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes Slip I agree. Well I agree that Global culture can only consist > > > > of multiple cultures. Well at the start anyway. > > > > > This is not a problem though, as Molly points out in the post a few > > > > above this one. There are cultures everywhere, Minds Eye has a > > > > definate cultre. > > > > > So with this in mind I find that I have to disagree that culture is > > > > somehow genetic. > > > > > Rather like the old argument about 'gender roles' I think there is > > > > scope to belive that culture is learnt behaviour and does not have any > > > > genetic basis. > > > > > Rigsy below also highlights for us the conept of teen culture. This > > > > certianly changes from generation to generation. > > > > > On 8 Mar, 13:12, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > We can strive for a global culture but one can only abandon the > > > > > culture of origin to a degree, hence we have African Americans and > > > > > American Indians. We can easily see that ones culture can dominate > > > > > behavior, something of a predictor of style and course in life, a > > > > > stereotypical behavior but no matter how much one can break away from > > > > > it there remains the cultural traits ingrained in the person, possibly > > > > > genetically bound. Global culture could only consist of multiple > > > > > cultures. > > > > > > On Mar 8, 6:38 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It's a hard one alright. > > > > > > > I belive that culture is ultimatly divisive, yet we are all cuaght > > > > > > up > > > > > > in it. It defines us, perhaps then we should be striveing for the > > > > > > global culture? > > > > > > > On 7 Mar, 09:57, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I tend to agree culture is not our frien, yet it gives us the > > > > > > > foundation > > > > > > > from which we need to examine our lives. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > "Culture is not your friend, no matter what your culture is. > > > > > > > > And this > > > > > > > > is sort of not a Politically Correct thing to say, because in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > present ambience, (sort of, those who haven't gotten the word) > > > > > > > > there's > > > > > > > > a lot of attention to recovering our ethnic roots and to > > > > > > > > expressing > > > > > > > > our unique ethnicity, and so forth and so on -- I think that's > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > beginning of understanding. But all terms that stress ethnicity > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > words applied to groups of people. Have you ever noticed that? > > > > > > > > Have > > > > > > > > you ever noticed that you're not a group of people, you're a > > > > > > > > person? > > > > > > > > So you may be "Jewish", you may be "Black", you may be this, > > > > > > > > you may > > > > > > > > be that but there is no obligation to take upon yourself the > > > > > > > > generalized quality of these things, because the generalized > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > belong to thousands of people examined at a time. If you > > > > > > > > misunderstand > > > > > > > > that you become a caricature. You act out your ethnicity as a > > > > > > > > caricature. > > > > > > > > > So culture is not your friend, ideology is not your friend... > > > > > > > > Who's > > > > > > > > your friend? Well, to my mind, the felt presence of immediate > > > > > > > > experience is the surest dimension, the surest guide that you > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > possibly have. The felt presence of immediate experience. > > > > > > > > Feeling is > > > > > > > > primary. All rationalization and intellectualization and > > > > > > > > analysis is > > > > > > > > secondary, and comes out of culture. No matter what your > > > > > > > > culture is, > > > > > > > > it has answers. Cultures thinks up answers. So a child asks its > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > a question, like, "Where do we go when we die?" or, "Why does > > > > > > > > Daddy go > > > > > > > > to work?" Cultural answers are always provided, but nobody > > > > > > > > knows the > > > > > > > > real answers to these questions -- that's outside of culture. So > > > > > > > > coming to terms and fully expressing your culture is like a > > > > > > > > stage in > > > > > > > > development. And then beyond that lies the aspiration of the > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > presence of immediate experience, and its implications. It's a > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > hard thing to deal with and to do when you are poisoned with > > > > > > > > ideology. > > > > > > > > And ideologies are very difficult to deconstruct and rid > > > > > > > > yourself of > > > > > > > > through a simple talking therapy of some sort, through simply > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to work it out. The best antidote for ideology is to raise the > > > > > > > > intensity of the felt presence of experience to such > > > > > > > > excruciating > > > > > > > > levels that it simply vaporizes ideological illusion. And this > > > > > > > > is what > > > > > > > > psychedelics are for, I think. And it also explains (if you've > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > wondered) the incredible phobia of these things on the part of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > establishment, the incredibly deep alarm that these things > > > > > > > > trigger in > > > > > > > > people" - Terence McKenna > > > > > > > > >http://www.salvia-divinorum-scotland.co.uk/quotes/mckenna/cultureisno... > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > > > > > > Google Groups > > > > > > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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