On 12 Mar, 17:04, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > And what of the Police and the Prision Service Pat? Why ban them, on > what grounds? > > A Police man, you would expect to act within the law, and not treat > say a black suspect any differant from a white suspect. So if > anything the expectation of the Policeman not alowing his 'political > views' to interfere with the day to day running of his job is far far > higher than what is expected of the teacher, yet he is simply not > allowed to be a Policeman if he is a member of a racist organisation. > It make no sense. >
I agree, they should act within the law, therefore the ban is without basis. However, I suppose it was based on how a policeman MAY act when a crime is 'assumed' and that a racist MAY treat a 'suspect' more harshly based on their own philosophy. There are still policeman who act outside the law in these cases, so the ban hasn't prevented misuse of police powers, but it MAY have reduced them. Teachers could well fall into a similar category, but a BNP teacher who refused to educate non-white pupils wouldn't get a job anywhere anyway. Criminal suspects are a different category than pupils, there can be no denying that. And the decision to ban BNP policemen may have been down to a view on protecting those who are assumed to be innocent (but would be assumed to be guilty by the BNP cop), whereas pupils are only assumed to be ignorant, thus in need of education, and their rights have nothing to do with 'criminal innocence' but 'intellectual innocence', which is a different thing. I take your point, believe me, but I thought it worth mentioning that, if we took that line of thinking that we would prevent atheists from teaching RE when, in fact, the individual may actually cause no harm in doing so, if s/he sticks to the curriculum. > On 12 Mar, 16:57, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 12 Mar, 16:20, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > And there in lies the rub Pat. > > > > As I say I guess we all kow some racist people. I can't even think of > > > one of them not propered to offer their claptrap at any oppertunity. > > > > The point though is this, why ban members of racist organisations from > > > the police force and the prison services, and allow them access to > > > kids? > > > > It is true that I have an overwhelming bias here, yet that aside I > > > think my point a valid one. > > > > As to Atheist techears of RE, two thoughts occour to me. Why would an > > > Atheist want to teach RE? Which leads to the second thought, perhaps > > > we shouldthen be wary of thier motivations for doing so? > > > > Although in principle you are correct I would have little trouble with > > > letting an athiest teach kids RE, after all motivations aside, > > > spirtual faith IS a personal matter and I really don't care whether > > > people are Theist or Atheist. I have love for God my freind, and feel > > > almost nowt for any of the many paths towards such an entity, > > > including my own. > > > > Racism though is differant isn't it? Religion CAN be divisive if we > > > as individuals let it be, but a belife that fosters the belife that > > > somehow the colour of the skin has any bearing on well anything > > > important at all, is certianly divisive. > > > > As to expressing their views. Can you remember being at School Pat? > > > Can you remember any teacher that did not conciously or unconciously > > > infect you with their own ideas, or belife structure? > > > > I know I can't. > > > > The very best teachers that I know engage their pupils, in doing so > > > the teacher must give of herself something to the kids, do you not > > > think? > > > I suppose the view was based on 'Political Affiliation' rather than > > the tenets OF that affiliation. And, if so, then hte decision was > > correct. As long as the racist can keep their racist views to > > thenselves, then the issue is moot. If they can't, then some pupil > > will complain and the school will have perfectly valid grounds for > > dismissal of the teacher. > > > > On 12 Mar, 16:03, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 12 Mar, 15:06, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Well today we have the news that ministers have decided it is not > > > > > appropriate to ban teachers who are members of of political parties > > > > > that support racisim. > > > > > > I can understand freedom of speach and belife, yes I can. what I > > > > > don't understand is that Police officers and those who work in the > > > > > prision services cannot keep their jobs if they are members of such > > > > > groups. > > > > > > Yet teachers are fine? We all know some racist people I am sure, it > > > > > is very hard for them not to let their belifes effect they way they > > > > > treat people, and so my fear is substandard teaching from these people > > > > > on the grounds of the colour of their pupils skin. > > > > > > I think our goverment has fucked this one up good and proper, they > > > > > could have made a very strong stance here, what a pity, but what do > > > > > you think? > > > > > Is it OK, in the UK, to have an atheist teaching RE (Religious > > > > Education)? Should it be? Personally, I don't think the teacher's > > > > beliefs should matter as long as they aren't teaching their beliefs > > > > and stick to the curriculum. That may be harder for some, but, if an > > > > atheist has a decent background and can teach the subject of RE, then > > > > I don't think their personal beliefs should be held against them. > > > > Now, if they add in remarks that are extra-curricular, then, lke the > > > > BNP-promoting teacher, should be thrown out. As long as the BNP > > > > member doesn't express his views in the classroom and sticks to the > > > > curriculum, then there shouldn't be a problem.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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