My own position I think Vam. We're getting the IPL live here (Not my favourite form of cricket) - I only wish we had cooperation and as direct communication in important matters. I suspect a range of matters from bureaucracy to scientific clericalism and institutionalised unfairness are more important than a few oddball BNP types.
On 13 Mar, 06:46, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > " I don't want to see teachers or anyone else vetted much beyond sex > offending, recidivist criminality and terrorism. I'd much prefer all > our kids went to the same schools ... " > > What riles me about institutions and organisations, and at times > appals, is poor real - time monitoring, assessing and intervening > structures. A BNP member who excels at teaching is preferable to a > liberal who adds nothing meaningful in the classroom ! Yet, how do we > judge their performance on the job, without appropriate structures and > processes in place ? Without these, it might be legitimate to > recognise the risks of inducting a person who subscribes to ideologies > or beliefs that are patently racist or extreme in other ways. > > Behaviours at avoiding such risks would be understandable, and the > pragmatic thing to do, when there are no objective mechanisms to > assure that any possible harm would be nipped in the bud and swiftly > eliminated for good. > > Constitutional rights and philosophical positions notwithstanding. > > On Mar 13, 7:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The trouble with the BNP and EDL is that they do have appeal. I > > suspect bans on membership might actually lead to more members in > > covert support. The issue that never seems to be addressed is why so > > many people feel upset by immigrants, much of which isn't racist in > > any simple skin colour way and seems to be happening in reverse as > > much as through the BNP and the less overt UKIP and Tory right. I > > suspect we will see an upset at the next elections, because the real > > issues are being suppressed. There will probably be violence on the > > streets too. > > > I don't want to see teachers or anyone else vetted much beyond sex > > offending, recidivist criminality and terrorism. I'd much prefer all > > our kids went to the same schools, rather than start vetting over BNP- > > like stuff. Class remains the biggest problem in the UK along with > > unfairness of opportunity and sectarianism. > > > On 13 Mar, 00:33, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > An atheist would be better suited to religious education than a > > > theist. A theist is within a mental box, how would they then > > > ACCURATELY and FAIRLY teach about the inside of other boxes? An > > > atheist would treat all religions, superstitions, and mythologies > > > fairly as a rule, because they can peer into each box and describe the > > > contents. We had this problem in my school, with a christian teacher > > > that chose christian written books as sources. > > > > On Mar 12, 8:20 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > And there in lies the rub Pat. > > > > > As I say I guess we all kow some racist people. I can't even think of > > > > one of them not propered to offer their claptrap at any oppertunity. > > > > > The point though is this, why ban members of racist organisations from > > > > the police force and the prison services, and allow them access to > > > > kids? > > > > > It is true that I have an overwhelming bias here, yet that aside I > > > > think my point a valid one. > > > > > As to Atheist techears of RE, two thoughts occour to me. Why would an > > > > Atheist want to teach RE? Which leads to the second thought, perhaps > > > > we shouldthen be wary of thier motivations for doing so? > > > > > Although in principle you are correct I would have little trouble with > > > > letting an athiest teach kids RE, after all motivations aside, > > > > spirtual faith IS a personal matter and I really don't care whether > > > > people are Theist or Atheist. I have love for God my freind, and feel > > > > almost nowt for any of the many paths towards such an entity, > > > > including my own. > > > > > Racism though is differant isn't it? Religion CAN be divisive if we > > > > as individuals let it be, but a belife that fosters the belife that > > > > somehow the colour of the skin has any bearing on well anything > > > > important at all, is certianly divisive. > > > > > As to expressing their views. Can you remember being at School Pat? > > > > Can you remember any teacher that did not conciously or unconciously > > > > infect you with their own ideas, or belife structure? > > > > > I know I can't. > > > > > The very best teachers that I know engage their pupils, in doing so > > > > the teacher must give of herself something to the kids, do you not > > > > think? > > > > > On 12 Mar, 16:03, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 12 Mar, 15:06, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well today we have the news that ministers have decided it is not > > > > > > appropriate to ban teachers who are members of of political parties > > > > > > that support racisim. > > > > > > > I can understand freedom of speach and belife, yes I can. what I > > > > > > don't understand is that Police officers and those who work in the > > > > > > prision services cannot keep their jobs if they are members of such > > > > > > groups. > > > > > > > Yet teachers are fine? We all know some racist people I am sure, it > > > > > > is very hard for them not to let their belifes effect they way they > > > > > > treat people, and so my fear is substandard teaching from these > > > > > > people > > > > > > on the grounds of the colour of their pupils skin. > > > > > > > I think our goverment has fucked this one up good and proper, they > > > > > > could have made a very strong stance here, what a pity, but what do > > > > > > you think? > > > > > > Is it OK, in the UK, to have an atheist teaching RE (Religious > > > > > Education)? Should it be? Personally, I don't think the teacher's > > > > > beliefs should matter as long as they aren't teaching their beliefs > > > > > and stick to the curriculum. That may be harder for some, but, if an > > > > > atheist has a decent background and can teach the subject of RE, then > > > > > I don't think their personal beliefs should be held against them. > > > > > Now, if they add in remarks that are extra-curricular, then, lke the > > > > > BNP-promoting teacher, should be thrown out. As long as the BNP > > > > > member doesn't express his views in the classroom and sticks to the > > > > > curriculum, then there shouldn't be a problem.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
