Or the loonie left that determines any person that disagrees with
Obama to be merely a racist...

On Mar 12, 9:13 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> In a world where the radical right wackjobs have determined that Obama
> is racist, all things are possible…there is absolutely no rationality
> left.
>
> On Mar 12, 9:04 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > And what of the Police and the Prision Service Pat?  Why ban them, on
> > what grounds?
>
> > A Police man, you would expect to act within the law, and not treat
> > say a black suspect any differant from a white suspect.  So if
> > anything the expectation of the Policeman not alowing his 'political
> > views' to interfere with the day to day running of his job is far far
> > higher than what is expected of the teacher, yet he is simply not
> > allowed to be a Policeman if he is a member of a racist organisation.
> > It make no sense.
>
> > On 12 Mar, 16:57, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On 12 Mar, 16:20, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > And there in lies the rub Pat.
>
> > > > As I say I guess we all kow some racist people.  I can't even think of
> > > > one of them not propered to offer their claptrap at any oppertunity.
>
> > > > The point though is this, why ban members of racist organisations from
> > > > the police force and the prison services, and allow them access to
> > > > kids?
>
> > > > It is true that I have an overwhelming bias here, yet that aside I
> > > > think my point a valid one.
>
> > > > As to Atheist techears of RE, two thoughts occour to me.  Why would an
> > > > Atheist want to teach RE?  Which leads to the second thought, perhaps
> > > > we shouldthen be wary of thier motivations for doing so?
>
> > > > Although in principle you are correct I would have little trouble with
> > > > letting an athiest teach kids RE, after all motivations aside,
> > > > spirtual faith IS a personal matter and I really don't care whether
> > > > people are Theist or Atheist.  I have love for God my freind, and feel
> > > > almost nowt for any of the many paths towards such an entity,
> > > > including my own.
>
> > > > Racism though is differant isn't it?  Religion CAN be divisive if we
> > > > as individuals let it be, but a belife that fosters the belife that
> > > > somehow the colour of the skin has any bearing on well anything
> > > > important at all, is certianly divisive.
>
> > > > As to expressing their views.  Can you remember being at School Pat?
> > > > Can you remember any teacher that did not conciously or unconciously
> > > > infect you with their own ideas, or belife structure?
>
> > > > I know I can't.
>
> > > > The very best teachers that I know engage their pupils, in doing so
> > > > the teacher must give of herself something to the kids, do you not
> > > > think?
>
> > > I suppose the view was based on 'Political Affiliation' rather than
> > > the tenets OF that affiliation.  And, if so, then hte decision was
> > > correct.  As long as the racist can keep their racist views to
> > > thenselves, then the issue is moot.  If they can't, then some pupil
> > > will complain and the school will have perfectly valid grounds for
> > > dismissal of the teacher.
>
> > > > On 12 Mar, 16:03, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 12 Mar, 15:06, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Well today we have the news that ministers have decided it is not
> > > > > > appropriate to ban teachers who are members of of political parties
> > > > > > that support racisim.
>
> > > > > > I can understand freedom of speach and belife, yes I can.  what I
> > > > > > don't understand is that Police officers and those who work in the
> > > > > > prision services cannot keep their jobs if they are members of such
> > > > > > groups.
>
> > > > > > Yet teachers are fine?  We all know some racist people I am sure, it
> > > > > > is very hard for them not to let their belifes effect they way they
> > > > > > treat people, and so my fear is substandard teaching from these 
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > on the grounds of the colour of their pupils skin.
>
> > > > > > I think our goverment has fucked this one up good and proper, they
> > > > > > could have made a very strong stance here, what a pity, but what do
> > > > > > you think?
>
> > > > > Is it OK, in the UK, to have an atheist teaching RE (Religious
> > > > > Education)?  Should it be?  Personally, I don't think the teacher's
> > > > > beliefs should matter as long as they aren't teaching their beliefs
> > > > > and stick to the curriculum.  That may be harder for some, but, if an
> > > > > atheist has a decent background and can teach the subject of RE, then
> > > > > I don't think their personal beliefs should be held against them.
> > > > > Now, if they add in remarks that are extra-curricular, then, lke the
> > > > > BNP-promoting teacher, should be thrown out.  As long as the BNP
> > > > > member doesn't express his views in the classroom and sticks to the
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